XMPP Council - 2023-12-19

  1. daniel


  2. daniel

    It's time

  3. daniel

    1) Roll call

  4. larma


  5. dan.caseley


  6. moparisthebest


  7. daniel

    singpolyma, are you around?

  8. daniel

    2) Agenda bashing

  9. singpolyma


  10. daniel

    we don’t really have anything on the agenda today except for a few pending votes from last week

  11. daniel

    3) Editors updates

  12. daniel


  13. daniel

    4) Items for voting

  14. daniel


  15. daniel

    5) Pending votes

  16. daniel

    larma and dan.caseley are pending on host meta 2 (even though it has already been vetoed)

  17. daniel

    dan.caseley is pending one the PR for xep 77

  18. daniel

    (which also has been vetoed)

  19. larma

    I'm still on-list, had no time to read all of moparisthebest remarks

  20. moparisthebest

    I didn't get any response from authors of XEP-0156 yet, don't know if this or any updates is enough to convince singpolyma to change his vote now ;)

  21. singpolyma

    Host meta 2 was vetoed?

  22. moparisthebest

    by you singpolyma lol

  23. singpolyma

    A single -1 is a veto? We're a unanimous body?

  24. moparisthebest

    a single -1 vetos yes

  25. singpolyma


  26. moparisthebest

    you can -0 to express your disproval but allow a majority to still pass, if you wish

  27. singpolyma

    What's the procedure if a stable spec author is unresponsive?

  28. dan.caseley

    I'm going 0 on 77, since it's already so very vetoed, but for reasons that feel structural that I don't entirely grok.

  29. moparisthebest

    we can add authors (but I think we are far away from that here, stpeter is on board so I'll try to harass him next time)

  30. Zash

    There's precedent ont Council reassiginging Authorship

  31. dan.caseley

    Should the reasoning for 77's veto be on the PR for addressing by the author?

  32. daniel

    yes i'll add a note to the PR

  33. daniel

    but honestly for me it's not just a wording change they can easily address

  34. dan.caseley

    IIRC, there were two problems. One was referencial, and one was inverting the NOT to a MAY?

  35. singpolyma

    moparisthebest: yeah if stpeter is an author we should be able to harass him enough

  36. daniel

    anything for host-meta2 dan.caseley ?

  37. dan.caseley

    Not yet.

  38. daniel

    6) Date of next

  39. singpolyma

    Next tuesday is a holiday here

  40. daniel

    I’m going to suggest +2w

  41. daniel

    but i'm fine with +3w too

  42. singpolyma

    +2w wfm

  43. dan.caseley

    +2 and +3 are good. +1 not so much :)

  44. moparisthebest

    +2w wfm

  45. dan.caseley

    Do we think we'd stack too much up with +3?

  46. larma

    +1/+2/+3 all work for me, but probably +3w is fine

  47. moparisthebest

    +3w I likely won't be available

  48. daniel

    OK. let's go with +2 weeks then.

  49. daniel

    Janurary 2nd

  50. daniel

    7) AOB

  51. moparisthebest

    > I've started a list of xeps in compliance suite which need advancement, to track: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/User:Singpolyma/XEPs can we pick 2 of these to LC ?

  52. singpolyma

    I'd propose consistent colour at least

  53. singpolyma

    It's pretty simple and well used

  54. daniel

    I know we kinda sorta just did this in the past. but XEP-0001 says this has to be requested by or in collaboration with the XEP author

  55. moparisthebest

    maybe XEP-0425: Message Moderation too ?

  56. moparisthebest

    oh ok, well we can harass them and bring it up next time :)

  57. daniel

    so I suggest you ping the authors to ping us

  58. singpolyma

    Ok, so we need to message authors. I can do that if we agree these are worth advancing

  59. daniel

    yes consistent color is probably low hanging fruit

  60. moparisthebest

    if they are in compliance suite I feel like a council already agreed to that

  61. daniel

    moderation too probably

  62. singpolyma

    Sounds good

  63. daniel

    note that we have also decided on last calls last year which editor didn’t start yet

  64. daniel

    so we might not want to start too many at once

  65. daniel

    or we lose focus

  66. singpolyma

    Os editor aware of these?

  67. daniel

    I don’t know. i'll check

  68. moparisthebest

    these are smallish and I suspect uncontroversial, I think we can do 2-4 in parallel

  69. daniel

    but yeah if anyone wants to ping jonas and jc

  70. singpolyma

    I will

  71. daniel

    Any other AOB?

  72. moparisthebest

    none here

  73. singpolyma


  74. dan.caseley

    Just a note that next council falls right before the 25th birthday.

  75. dan.caseley

    We should have cake or something?

  76. moparisthebest


  77. daniel

    cake sounds good

  78. daniel

    assuming notheng else

  79. daniel

    8) Close

  80. daniel

    happy holidays everyone. see you in 2 weeks

  81. moparisthebest

    thanks all, have a great year end !

  82. moparisthebest

    singpolyma, jonas and jcbrand are both in xsf@ , attack!

  83. singpolyma

    hmm, so I did ping both but I see now moderation still uses message fastening, and while I personally like that, that xep is itself deferred and I think everyone else has decided it should be abandoned