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daniel
I’m not the one to make that decision but this is something the authors have to decide but I strongly believe we should start a last call on Message Reactions
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daniel
yes certain parts of the XEP aren’t implemented yet but other parts are starting to become widely implemented and deployed and I don’t think thats a strong indicator that we should put effort into advancing it
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Kev
Is there a typo in there Daniel?
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Kev
You have both that you strongly believe it should LC, and that you don't think it should be tried to advance.
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daniel
The fact that parts of the xep (the reaction restrictions) aren't implemented shouldn't stop us from advancing it
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Kev
Ahhh, I understand what you meant, ta :)
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singpolyma
I would be quite fine with a reactions LC the xep is pretty simple and we'll implemented in the main as you say✎ -
singpolyma
I would be quite fine with a reactions LC the xep is pretty simple and well implemented in the main as you say ✏
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moparisthebest
Maybe the unimplemented bits should be removed?
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moparisthebest
Split to another xep if deemed still helpful
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singpolyma
What unimplemented is error handling afaik
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daniel
singpolyma: does cheogram do the emoji restriction thing?
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daniel
I guess that's the main non implemented part Marvin talked about
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singpolyma
Our release should show the errors. But not anymore after we merged the new UI from you in pre release
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daniel
But does it limited the available emoji selection for example?
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singpolyma
No
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daniel
Either way I think the xep can still be advanced if we don't deem this to be complicated
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daniel
And I don't. I'm sort of planning to implement it and I don't see how an implementation could run into unforeseen issues
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daniel
Until now it simply didn't have a super high priority to me
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daniel
At the same time I can see how it can be useful and I wouldn't want to remove it from the xep
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daniel
It's only "final" when the 'needs to have implementations' requirement actually comes in
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moparisthebest
> I don't see how an implementation could run into unforeseen issues Famous last words 🤣
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moparisthebest
But all that's fair, I think removing/splitting would only be appropriate if implementers all thought that part wasn't helpful and they'd never bother implementing it, imho
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daniel
Yes and I guess if anything that is something that can come up during the LC. After all one of the LC questions is "do you plan to implement this"
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moparisthebest
> moparisthebest: I'm somewhat surprised that your concerns regarding Happy Eyeballs may be reason to prevent the text to be accepted as an Experimental XEP. If my reading of the process is right, a -1 vote at this stage would prevent the text even from being published / made available for public discussion through XSF's channels. Does that properly reflect your concerns with that text? (I am under the impression that to qualify for acceptance, the bar basically isn't much higher than "the text is formatted correctly"). Guus: sorry realized I forgot to respond to this, many of my past XEPs have been rejected or delayed by council with roughly "check if that could be merged into an existing XEP first" which was my gut reaction here too. That's all. :) ↺
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moparisthebest
It seems the few that responded on list somewhat agree with my concerns so I'm at least not alone, and I trust you'll respond to feedback and such so I have no reason to block it now, so +1 on happy eyeballs here daniel
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daniel
It's time.
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daniel
1) roll call
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dan.caseley
Howdy!
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daniel
moparisthebest, singpolyma larma ?
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moparisthebest
Hello!
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singpolyma
👋
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daniel
2) Agenda Bashing
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daniel
nothing to bash I assume
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daniel
3) Editors update
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daniel
* UPDATED: XEP-0198 (Stream Management) * Proposed XMPP Extension: Pubsub Node Relationships
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daniel
4) Items for voting
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daniel
a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Pubsub Node Relationships https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/pubsub-node-relationships.html
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daniel
on list
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daniel
didn’ have time to read it yet
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moparisthebest
on-list, same
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singpolyma
I have concerns about the overlap with https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0248.html since that one is deferred it could maybe be fixed if deficient? Or the new XEP could be specified in a complementary way to extend it to have the new things wants (tying permissions to the hierarchy)
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singpolyma
but maybe better to discuss once people have read it, heh
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moparisthebest
Does anyone implement 248
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moparisthebest
(probably an on list discussion item we can move on lol)
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Kev
From the peanut gallery, I'm not sure that leaving 248 to die on the vine would be a terrible thing. It got split out of 60 for Reasons, and I'm pretty sure we removed the implementation from M-Link because of Issues.
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moparisthebest
That's helpful
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daniel
ok. moving on
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daniel
b) Issue Last Call on 'XEP-0490: Message Displayed Synchronization' https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0490.html
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daniel
+1
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moparisthebest
+1
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dan.caseley
+1
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daniel
singpolyma, ?
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singpolyma
+1
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daniel
5) Pending votes
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daniel
none
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daniel
6) Date of Next
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daniel
+1w wfm
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singpolyma
+1w wfm
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moparisthebest
+1w wfm
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daniel
7) AOB
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moparisthebest
Not here
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moparisthebest
Wait
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moparisthebest
Council mailing list, keep or delete?
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daniel
I’m unsure
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moparisthebest
I vote delete, we should do everything on standards@
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singpolyma
do we use it for anything?
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singpolyma
we have this channel
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moparisthebest
I've never seen it used except to CC agendas to
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daniel
standards is actually the CC and council To
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moparisthebest
If we or some future council want it later I assume it can be set back up, until then 🔥
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daniel
but yeah I guess we don’t really use it
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dan.caseley
I might not make the next couple, as I'm in Cyprus with the family. If I do, I'll be on mobile, so potentially a lot less useful.
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Kev
Well, it'll be deleted completed, the hosting facility is going away. But a new one being set up is not inconceivable.
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daniel
if we ever wanted to discuss something behind closed doors for what ever reason that would be the place
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daniel
board has one too
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Kev
Council isn't behind closed doors, it's a public list.✎ -
daniel
but I guess in practice most of what we do is public
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Kev
Council isn't behind closed doors, it's a public (archive) list. ✏
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daniel
damn? so i've been leaking all those secret agenda?
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Kev
(Unless I misremember)
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Kev
https://mail.jabber.org/hyperkitty/list/council@xmpp.org/thread/YS273W52IRFRTTDEK2FBE35BQJRTCJEN/ I do not misremember.
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moparisthebest
Doors aren't closed https://mail.jabber.org/hyperkitty/list/council@xmpp.org/latest
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moparisthebest
I had to go looking though lol
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daniel
ok. delete it is
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Kev
Board has a list, but that one's in camera.
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daniel
any other aob?
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moparisthebest
Board could conceivably need closed but imho council never should, if we do one of us could create a room, meh
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moparisthebest
None here for real this time
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daniel
8) Close
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daniel
thank you all. see you next week
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moparisthebest
Thanks daniel & all
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larma
Sorry for missing this time. I'm +1 on last call for 490