XMPP Council - 2025-10-21

A very late agenda just went out. If you are not ready to vote that's understandable and absolutely fine. Depending on how things go I can extend the voting period to 3 weeks

It’s time

1) Roll call

.o/

👋

Howdy!

singpolyma, ping

2) Agenda bashing

nothing to bash I assume?

3) Editors update

- UPDATED: XEP-0392 (Consistent Color Generation) - UPDATED: XEP-0045 (Multi-User Chat) - NEW: XEP-0506 (No-reply JIDs) - LAST CALL: XEP-0485 (PubSub Server Information) - Proposed XMPP Extension: Forums (https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/forums.html) - Proposed XMPP Extension: Jingle Content Category (https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/jingle-content-category.html)

4) Items for voting

a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Forums https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/forums.html

+1 (disclaimer: I'm the author)

On list

on list. editor me published this but i didn’t actually read it yet :-)

:)

on list

b) Proposed XMPP Extension: Jingle Content Category https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/jingle-content-category.html

on list. dito

On list

+1

+1

5) Pending votes

Daniel on PR #1467 and PR #1468 Marvin on PR #1468

i’m not ready to vote yet

larma, would you like to vote now?

+1 on 1468

thank you. i'll try to vote on list and process this over the course of the week now that i'm the only one missing on those two PR

6) Date of next

+1w wfm

+1w wfm

Might be unavailable next week

Also possibly missing next week. School holidays.

Depends on Deutsche Bahn though

DST switching I think?

Excellent point Guus!

Oh, it's already this time of the year

meeting is at UTC

Yeah, but our schedule may change. For me it should still be fine though.

this means it's an hour earlier sometime over the next 2 weeks? depending on where you are

i assume that still works for everyone?

I expect so

7) AOB

peter and dave brought something up about writing an RFC wrt security considerations on XMPP

maybe for now just participate in the discussion on the list so we can work out a scope and decide if we want to do it. and then we'll officially discuss it when the LC for 0440 is finished

any other aob?

assuming none

8) Close

thank you all. see you next week

Thanks daniel, thanks all.

Cheers everyone

Kindly reminder that we are approaching Council renewal.

Remember to put some quarters in the meter before it runs out? :)

> b) Proposed XMPP Extension: Jingle Content Category > https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/jingle-content-category.html +1 ↺

Sorry to miss the meeting time

The forums one I'm not sure about. goffi this describes what libervia currently does I assume?

singpolyma: More or less. I've adapted to Pubsub Social Feed, do there will be small namespaces changes. But this is the mechanism used yes

I'm using flat forums to convert mailing list. The other one is useful for things à la Reddit or Hackernews.

s/do there/so there/

How is a flat forum different from social feed generally? I think a comparison or overview of when this is needed might be helpful

The main thing about social feed is the profile, so the client knows how to handle the view. The forums are basically social feeds, with dedicated profiles.

Blog and forum have similar payload, but different view. ✏

On other words, a forum is a social feed.

so there's no protocol level difference?

Small constraints. A single comment node. And the way replies to are handled.

does social stream allow multiple comment nodes?

PSF doesn't specify comments yet, it's basically XEP-0277 which is Atom, which AFAIK doesn't limit the number of comments URI, so yes they are allowed.

how does it not specify comments yet? we've had that for years I thought