XMPP Council - 2026-04-15

Guus, my belief is that the previous revision of XEP-0377 already did lend itself to reusability, while the new revision narrowed it significantly.

larma, the spaces+presence thing doesn't feel right to me. Is it implying that if I join a space, I have to be present in every channel within that space?

I think the presence flood needs solving (as you know), but I still think we need per-room occupant lists

MattJ, I am not disagreeing, I just think we keep our selves from having good things because we want perfect things.

The spaces thing is meant for a specific implementation of spaces, not spaces in general

Having a new concept of room participation, that is independent of presence, is interesting, but is also largely adjacent to presence issues.