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winfried
editor meeting in 5 minutes, right?
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m&m
correct
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winfried
I will give a shout in the xsf muc... ;-)
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m&m
graze (-:
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Lloyd
yep, although my invite says its in council@muc.xmpp.org.
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Steffen Larsen
Hi Guys!
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winfried
hi!
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Lloyd
Hello
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Steffen Larsen
almost everybody here?
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Lloyd
Ash should be along in a moment, his daughter is a little unwell at the moment
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m&m
yuck
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Steffen Larsen
oohh I know the problem
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Steffen Larsen
all of the family sick at the moment
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winfried
Yeah, on holiday with sick kids right now...
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Dave Cridland
My kids aren't sick.
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Steffen Larsen
congrats Dave!
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Steffen Larsen
:-)
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winfried
Dave Cridland should leave the muc right now...
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winfried
Shouldn's Joachim be here?
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stpeter
heh, another advantage of text chat
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winfried
LOL
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m&m
ok, that looks like everyone
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Steffen Larsen
:-)
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Dave Cridland
Lloyd, Leave it on, everyone will leave you alone.
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Ash
Hi All.
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m&m
heh
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m&m
ok, let's get started
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m&m
some of us are time-constrained
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m&m
1) "What I Do" by Peter Saint-Andre
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winfried
has everybody read the xep-readme?
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m&m
did all of the editors read http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-README.html ?
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Steffen Larsen
yes. I have
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stpeter
first of all, I'd like to thank you all for volunteering to help!
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winfried
I have
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Ash
Affirmative
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Steffen Larsen
svn is a bit outdated maybe
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Steffen Larsen
;-)
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Steffen Larsen
otherwise fine
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stpeter
right
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m&m
ok, some updates are necessary
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stpeter
ack
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winfried
peter: do you have any additions to the readme?
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winfried
things we need to know right now?
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Steffen Larsen
I assume that the XEP for svn is in git? ;-)
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stpeter
the "Counting Council Votes" is outdated
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winfried
the council posts the votes to the standards list, right?
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stpeter
I'll fix up some details in the README this week
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stpeter
the radar page is no longer used
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Steffen Larsen
cool
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stpeter
etc.
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stpeter
but the basics are correct
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Steffen Larsen
stpeter:how often do the editor do work? I mean, maybe we should meet 2 a month or so to distribute work
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winfried
stpeter: obvious changes to the readme can be made us too...
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Steffen Larsen
yes for sure
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stpeter
Steffen Larsen: in general there might be editorial tasks before or after each Council meeting
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stpeter
e.g., publishing incoming proto-XEPs
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Steffen Larsen
stpeter: ok
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stpeter
issuing Last Calls, counting votes, etc. after meetings
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stpeter
that kind of thing
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Steffen Larsen
stupid question: how often are there council meetings?
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stpeter
once a week
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stpeter
usually
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winfried
I have made a list of 'events' we should respond to, it is quite easy:
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Ash
We could do with some kind of ticket/issue tracker system so people can pick up stuff that needs to be done rather then work having to be divvied out
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Dave Cridland
Steffen Larsen, Once per week 1600 Wed.
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Steffen Larsen
:-) ok
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stpeter
sometimes there's no meeting
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stpeter
Ash: sure
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Steffen Larsen
yes
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Steffen Larsen
we had jira once
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stpeter
Ash: we used Jira in the past but I'm open to anything else you guys like
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winfried
we should respond to: incoming xeps in editor@..
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Steffen Larsen
but it was never actively used
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stpeter
winfried: yes
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winfried
to: council decisions
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Steffen Larsen
besides me and some others
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stpeter
editor@ is currently just an alias that sends stuff to me
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winfried
and we should monitor experimental xeps not being updated for 12 month
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m&m
I'd rather re-use infrastructure that's available
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stpeter
winfried: correct
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Steffen Larsen
I like a ticket system.. especially when there is more than one person
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stpeter
Steffen Larsen: WFM
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m&m
rather than spin up something new
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Steffen Larsen
m&m: +1
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Ash
Would be great if emails to editor@ could be fed straight into the ticketing too
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Dave Cridland
As an alternative, a rota would probably work fine.
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stpeter
Ash: sure thing
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stpeter
rota?
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Dave Cridland
That is, have one duty editor per week.
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stpeter
ah
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winfried
or should we make editor@ a mailinglist?
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stpeter
winfried: possible, yes
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winfried
can we coordinate to ourselves too ;-)
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Steffen Larsen
hmm no I think a muc and jira is perfect
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m&m
I think making editor@ a mailing list is reasonable
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Steffen Larsen
emails are not a ticket system. :-)
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m&m
essentially write-only
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stpeter
well, editor@ does receive inbound messages from authors, so making it a mailing list would enable everyone to know what's incoming
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winfried
Is there already a ticketing system at the xsf?
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m&m
as long as the traffic on editor@ is relatively low (which I assume it is), I think we can live with the manual conversion to a ticket
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Steffen Larsen
I only know of jira
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stpeter
winfried: we sort-of have Jira
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Ash
\me has been working on deploying a ticketing system for the past few months so has ticketing on the brain!
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m&m
(-:
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stpeter
m&m: yes, I think that would be fine
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Ash
Jira is great as it's hosted and free and even better if it's already set up
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Steffen Larsen
how many are we (editors)?
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Steffen Larsen
yes
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Lloyd
8 with joachim?
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stpeter
Steffen Larsen: 6 or 7, I think
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m&m
6 not including stpeter
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Steffen Larsen
ok
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m&m
7 if we include stpeter
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Lloyd
- Dave, course :)
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Steffen Larsen
stpeter: we might use you as a shadow in the start.. to ask questions etc.
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Steffen Larsen
:-)
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Dave Cridland
Right, there's 8 people here, but Kev, stpeter and I aren't actually editors.
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stpeter
Steffen Larsen: yes, of course!
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Dave Cridland
However you're missing Joachim.
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m&m
hrm … we're missing someone
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Steffen Larsen
stpeter: we dont wanna mess things up.. just want to help
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m&m
was Joachim on the list?
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Steffen Larsen
to sec
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m&m
I pulled it from Board and Council logs
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winfried
Joachim raised his hand in Brussels, but was not on the list approved by the board
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Steffen Larsen
hhmm maybe I should write and ask him
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winfried
(And he raised his hand again on the members list)
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m&m
the other name on the list was Stefan Strigler
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winfried
Ah, indeed, Stefan
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Steffen Larsen
yes. stefan should be here
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Steffen Larsen
I'll write him now
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stpeter
regarding access, IMHO each member of the editor team should have git privileges and an account on athena to run the scripts (or, you guys can figure out some subset of people)
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m&m
Steffen Larsen: thanks. He should have been part of the email chain
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Dave Cridland
Right, yes. Not Joachim, but Steffan.
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m&m
I think granting everyone is fine
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winfried
Just pinged Steve
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Steffen Larsen
me too!
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Steffen Larsen
:-9
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winfried
LOL
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Steffen Larsen
prob. in erlang world..
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Steffen Larsen
he is coming in now
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winfried
concurrent processes ;-)
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Steffen Larsen
ha ha
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Steffen Larsen
yes
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Dave Cridland
winfried, Really slow message passing, though.
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m&m
heh
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Steffen Larsen
:-)
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Steffen Larsen
Hi Steve!
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zeank@jwchat.org
hey, hi! :)
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Steffen Larsen
:-)
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winfried
Welcome!
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stpeter
so what action items do we have?
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zeank@jwchat.org
sorry, sorry, sorry
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m&m
from what I've gathered so far ...
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winfried
transfering editor@.. to a mailinglist
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m&m
#1: setup a ticketing system
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Steffen Larsen
#git access
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m&m
#2: transfer editor@ to a mailing list
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Ash
# update xep-README
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zeank@jwchat.org
couldn't we just use github to handle most of it?
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m&m
no
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Lloyd
zeank: Yes!
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Lloyd
I agree
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m&m
github is not canonical
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stpeter
BTW we'll need list admins for editor@ to approve legitimate incoming messages
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stpeter
(and we plan to deploy greylisting on atlas soon to avoid an overload of spam)
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winfried
ok, editor gets 99,5% spam?
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stpeter
probably
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Steffen Larsen
auch
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winfried
:-(
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m&m
such is life
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stpeter
I have it redirect to my gmail.com address so all the spam magically goes away
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Dave Cridland
Technically, ProtoXEP submissions MUST have a specific subject line.
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stpeter
but greylisting should help
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stpeter
Dave Cridland: true
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stpeter
I'll let the list admins work out methods :-)
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winfried
LOL...!
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Steffen Larsen
thanks peter :-)
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winfried
On access:
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winfried
to do the job we need shell access to ...
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m&m
right
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winfried
where is also a git repository that is used to publish... (right?)
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Steffen Larsen
I think I have access alraedy
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m&m
a couple of us might already have shell access (or had it in the past)
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Steffen Larsen
already
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Steffen Larsen
form way back.. doing some jingle stuff in 2007/8
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m&m
I had shell access at one point, but I think those ssh keys were lost
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winfried
I have no shell access...
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Steffen Larsen
prob. me neither
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winfried
who can coordinate that?
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Steffen Larsen
how will do this? tobi?
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stpeter
tobi, kev, and I have shell access to that machine
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m&m
anyone from the i-team should be able to do it, no?
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stpeter
and others, likely
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m&m
I can harass —erm — follow up with one of those three
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stpeter
editor@ list set up
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m&m
gracias
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winfried
thanks, hit me with the spam :-P
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Ash
:)
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m&m
I'm already moderator for other lists, what's one more? (-:
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stpeter
anyone else want to be a moderator?
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m&m
I assume for shell access that the box admins will need SSH keys
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winfried
shall we send pgp-signed ssh-keys to the editor list?
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Steffen Larsen
ok. who is gathering the list and doing action on our bullit points?
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stpeter
m&m yes please
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Dave Cridland
stpeter, Stating the obvious, it's open to non-subscriber posts, right?
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stpeter
winfried: sure
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Steffen Larsen
yes
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stpeter
Dave Cridland: it will be once I configure it correctly
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Dave Cridland
stpeter, Just seemed like something worth double-checking. :-)
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stpeter
yep
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stpeter
T-2 minutes, right?
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stpeter
anything else?
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m&m
yes
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winfried
- how to keep git tidy
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winfried
- how to divide labour :-)
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m&m
we should setup another meeting to finish up inauguration
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Steffen Larsen
so are we using branch strategy or just pure master?
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Steffen Larsen
or git flow?
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zeank@jwchat.org
ugh
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winfried
ugh what?
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m&m
see, we have more to do than just divvy out work (-:
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stpeter
which email address is right for Lloyd?
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zeank@jwchat.org
git flow for this sounds a bit like overhead ;)
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stpeter
evilprofessor?
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Lloyd
stpeter lloyd@evilprofessor.co.uk please
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Steffen Larsen
nah.. well it depends on the scenario
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stpeter
ok I've added a bunch of you to the editor@ list
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winfried
great!
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m&m
stpeter: thanks
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zeank@jwchat.org
uhm, added myself already ;)
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stpeter
7 members, I must be missing someone
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m&m
now, could the editor team be made admins for this room, please (-:
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m&m
7 sounds right
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stpeter
heh yes
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Steffen Larsen
yes please
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Steffen Larsen
:-)
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m&m
ok, I need to get going … how about we have a follow up meeting
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Steffen Larsen
will we recevie an email about the editor list?
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zeank@jwchat.org
can't you post the list of email addresses subscribed?
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m&m
I cannot meet next week
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Steffen Larsen
next week I am on ski
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Steffen Larsen
so maybe next week again?
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Steffen Larsen
some of you guys will prob. meet in london, right?
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m&m
WFM, unless we have a quorum in London
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m&m
(-:
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m&m
right
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psa
hmm, how do I change affiliations in Adium?
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winfried
m&m anything that stops us from getting started?
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psa
winfried: I don't think so
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m&m
winfried: shell access
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winfried
just keep each other informed..
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winfried
;-)
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winfried
right!
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Steffen Larsen
yes please keep me in the loop
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Ash
We can always continue the discussion on the mailing list
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Dave Cridland
winfried, Well, git and shell.
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Steffen Larsen
when I am on vacation next week
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Ash
In slower time
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winfried
git: we decided on branching strategy not?
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zeank@jwchat.org
winfried: did we? which one? where? when?
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Dave Cridland
I'd suggest pure master unless there's a reason to go branching.
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zeank@jwchat.org
(y)
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stpeter
+1
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winfried
well: I counted your 'ugh' as a vote for branching...
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winfried
ah
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m&m
+1
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winfried
ok
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m&m
master + email-based MINE-ing
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Steffen Larsen
ash: creepy with the email!
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stpeter
and the first spam message arrives!
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stpeter
that didn't take long
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Steffen Larsen
master is fine if work is that little
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Ash
Hehe. Yeah. Great minds, eh!
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Steffen Larsen
Ash: :-)
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stpeter
BTW, this room is archived, as is the editor@ list
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Steffen Larsen
stpeter: super!
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winfried
+1
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zeank@jwchat.org
for everything else there is git rebase ;)
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m&m
Steffen Larsen: there's not usually much to do with the XEPs themselves
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zeank@jwchat.org
uhm no I mean git push -f :D
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m&m
ok
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m&m
so, let's plan to meet back here in exactly two weeks
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Dave Cridland
BTW, thanks to all of you for volunteering.
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stpeter
m&m WGM
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stpeter
WFM even
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Steffen Larsen
two weeks! great!
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zeank@jwchat.org
ok
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m&m
2014-02-11T16:00Z
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Steffen Larsen
11. March?
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Steffen Larsen
yes
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stpeter
we can create a calendar for the editor team, too
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m&m
yes (-:
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Steffen Larsen
17:00 CET?
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Tobias
Kev, what do people need to access xsf git? isn't that handled by gitosis or so?
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Dave Cridland
m&m, 2014-03-11T16:00Z then
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winfried
OK, will take some planning for me.. but probably I can make it...
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m&m
oh, duh
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Dave Cridland
Tobias, Yeah, gitosis IIRC.
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m&m
yes 2014-03-11T16:00:00Z
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stpeter
I need to step out for a few minutes, bbiab
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Steffen Larsen
in my calendar
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Steffen Larsen
are we done or more on the agenda?
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stpeter
also I think a third list admin would be helpful to cut down on the admin duties (at least until we get greylisting deployed)
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stpeter
bbiab
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m&m
for now, I think we're done
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m&m
I'll try to gather minutes on this meeting, but we have the logs
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Steffen Larsen
m&m: perfect!
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m&m
and I'll send it through editor@xmpp.org for now, fwd to standards@xmpp.org
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zeank@jwchat.org
stpeter: you can add me as well
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m&m
I take it y'all are ok with me assuming the Chair role, yes? (-:
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m&m
if someone else wants it, speak up!
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Ash
Fine by me :)
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Steffen Larsen
+1
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Steffen Larsen
I am just a simple working man. :-)
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stpeter
zeank@jwchat.org: thanks
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winfried
its ok, but are you fine with it, m&m?
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m&m
winfried: I'm fine with it … for now (-:
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m&m
I think it'll work out just fine
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Steffen Larsen
steve: thanks for the email :)
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stpeter
zeank: do you have a preferred email address for such things?
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winfried
Everybody got the test mail on the editor list?
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Lloyd
(y)
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m&m
I got it
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Steffen Larsen
ok guys. I am out of here. Have to cook some food for the family!
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stpeter
winfried: I think I left Stefan off the list, let me check
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Ash
Yup
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Steffen Larsen
got it!
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stpeter
nope, n/m
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zeank@jwchat.org
stpeter: zeank@jwchat.org is fine
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zeank@jwchat.org
or can it be the same I registered with?
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zeank@jwchat.org
then please use stefan.strigler@gmail.com
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stpeter
yep
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stpeter
used @gmail
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stpeter
anyway, bbiaf
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zeank@jwchat.org
perf
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Ash
Excellent
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zeank@jwchat.org
winfried: enjoy ;)
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Kev
" I have it redirect to my gmail.com address so all the spam magically goes away stpeter @ 16:21"
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Kev
Yes, that's what gets atlas blacklisted :)
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zeank@jwchat.org
done with work for today as well, so bye bye ;)
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winfried
cu!
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m&m
thanks everyone
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m&m
I'll track down the git/ssh access minutea
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Kev
"Kev, what do people need to access xsf git? isn't that handled by gitosis or so? Tobias @ 16:38" Send me their keys.
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Ash
:)
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m&m
sorry, missed it!
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Kev
m&m: This is just for access to the Git repo?
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Dave Cridland
Kev, Shell as well.
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Kev
Shell to do what?
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Dave Cridland
Kev, Run the scripts in-situ, I think.
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Kev
Which scripts, as which user?
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Dave Cridland
Kev, This is beyond the ken of mortal folk.
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Dave Cridland
Kev, I'd suggest asking stpeter but he is, sadly, in an XSF Editor meeting it seems.
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m&m
it's to run the various XEP scripts as the "xsf" user
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m&m
however, if you're not comfortable with the whole editorial team, this team will need to know what subset is acceptable
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Dave Cridland
I think in practical terms, it really needs to be the whole team.
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m&m
I agree
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Kev
The whole team being able to regenerate XEPs seems fine.
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Kev
I'm just not keen on handing out root to accomplish it - thus needing to know what's involved.
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m&m
/nod
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m&m
stpeter can provide more info, but the XEP-README should have the major points
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stpeter
we don't use root to run the editor scripts
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stpeter
wouldn't we just need to add folks to the 'xsf' group?
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Kev
No, I gathered that. But normal shell accounts presumably won't do :)
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Kev
I don't know.
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Kev
That's why I asked what they need :)
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stpeter
that's my impression, anyway
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stpeter
currently I run all those scripts as 'xsf'
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Kev
Could I start with giving m&m access as a member of the xsf group, then, and waiting for the reports of "I can't do X" to come in?
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Dave Cridland
If there are scripts that are safe to run (as in, they're idempotent or whatever), then could we devise a dry-run test?
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Kev
I think 'safe to run' and 'idempotent' are very different things.
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Kev
rm -rf / is idempotent.
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Kev
(Well, loosely. It's technically not operating on itself, so it's not really idempotence)
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stpeter
Kev: I think have a smaller group of script-runners seems fine to me
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Dave Cridland
Yes, I've fallen foul of the "using an impressive sounding word but in the wrong way" fallacy.
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Tobias
stpeter, right...basically it's changing to xsf home dir, switch to xmpp-hg, run "hg pull -u" and then ./calgen.py or extensions/gen.py -a
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stpeter
Tobias: yep
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Kev
Tobias: "switch to xmpp-hg'?
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Tobias
Kev /home/xsf/xmpp-hg folder
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Kev
Righty.
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Kev
Nowhere in there did you change user :)
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Tobias
well..i was already the xsf user
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Tobias
:)
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Tobias
maybe a setuid bit or so, but that might be too much
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stpeter
Kev: what's your feeling about making the editor README a XEP?
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Kev
I think there's no need and no harm.
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stpeter
sounds about right
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m&m
WFM
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Kev
Well. Limited harm.
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Kev
It's extra work without any clear(to me) benefit.
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Kev
What's the motivation for doing so?
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stpeter
no motivation here
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m&m
I don't have any
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winfried
I don't see any reason to publish internal procedures...
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stpeter
m&m: we can do those in bulk sometime
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m&m
I was testing my password, seemed like a worthy test case (-:
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stpeter
setting up greylisting seems like a higher priority now
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m&m
/nod
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Kev
Next question is: how do I use gpg to verify m&m's key? :)
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Tobias
gpg, the pinnacle of usability
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Kev
m&m: Key ID?
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stpeter
BTW, when the editor team processes files, we might want to not use personal initials, or use a convention like editor+psa
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stpeter
e.g., when publishing initial versions
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stpeter
that seems reasonable
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stpeter
it's similar to what the RFC Editor does
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Kev
XEP Editor(PSA), I'd have thought, would do?
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Kev
Which is slightly less cryptic - but hills, etc.
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stpeter
<initials>editor(psa)</initials>
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stpeter
or somesuch
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stpeter
I don't particularly care, as long as we're consistent :-)
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m&m
back now
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m&m
my gpg key should be in the public keyring by now
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m&m
otherwise you'll have a wonderful opportunity to verify it a week from today (-:
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m&m
if tracking the specific editor is necessary, then editor(initials) seems fine, but I don't see a problem with just using "editor"
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Kev
It seems like information it's potentially useful to have, and not harmful to have, so I don't see why not to.
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stpeter
http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-README.html updated
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m&m
gracias
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Kev
sighup:~/tmp/mmkey/> gpg --verify id_rsa.pub.sig id_rsa.pub.txt 5:43pm gpg: Signature made Tue Feb 25 17:00:42 2014 GMT using RSA key ID 109E05BB gpg: BAD signature from "Matthew A. Miller <linuxwolf@outer-planes.net>"
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Kev
Uhhoh!
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m&m
hrmph
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Kev
I think there's an argument about whether a key only signed by you is trusted, too :D
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Kev
Editors - Does Council need to do BOSH things?
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Kev
If so, what please? :)
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stpeter
hmm
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Neustradamus
I have missed some discussions... but there are not logs since some months: http://logs.jabber.org/new/ Can you help me?
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stpeter
Neustradamus: that doesn't have anything to do with the XEP Editor Team
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Neustradamus
There is not discussion here?
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Neustradamus
before "<m&m> /nod"?
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Kev
If you want the logs for this room, note that it's not on jabber.org, and look at http://logs.xmpp.org
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stpeter
Neustradamus: this room is for discussion about the XEP Editor Team, not jabber.org logging issues
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stpeter
right, see http://logs.xmpp.org/editor/ for logs of this room
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m&m
/-:
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Neustradamus
ho yes, sorry!
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m&m
git clone failed for me: mamille2$ git clone git@athena.jabber.org:xmpp.git Cloning into 'xmpp'... ssh: connect to host athena.jabber.org port 22: Connection refused fatal: Could not read from remote repository. Please make sure you have the correct access rights and the repository exists.
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Kev
m&m: Right. I've not set it up for you because I'm hoping I have some way of verifying your key first :)
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stpeter
it's not on port 22 either
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Kev
Send me your key over XMPP and I'll vaguely trust it :)
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Steffen Larsen
hey stpeter. I just made a quick wiki: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Editor_team . Who was the last couple of persons?
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Neustradamus
I mix jabber.org/xmpp.org logs but my request was originaly about to see previous conversations before line that I have noted before...
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Kev
Neustradamus: So follow the link that we gave you.
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m&m
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/259/943/694.png
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Neustradamus
Kev: :)
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stpeter
m&m: 5284 is your friend
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Kev
Host athena.jabber.org Port 5284
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m&m
I'm following the instructions on http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xsf-source-control/
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Kev
~/.ssh/config
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m&m
thanks
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Neustradamus
little question: editor@... is a ML? because it is not listed on http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo
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stpeter
Steffen Larsen: I think that list is complete
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Kev
m&m: You should have access to the xmpp repository.
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stpeter
Neustradamus: it's mostly an alias and not really a mailing list -- we have other lists that are not listed there
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m&m
"Ashley" ==> Ashley Ward
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stpeter
right
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m&m
otherwise that looks like the right list to me
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Kev
Which we very probably want to split up to only contain XEPs and associated at some point.
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stpeter
not sure whether editor@ ought to be archived
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Neustradamus
stpeter: ok! For me, like you want...
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m&m
hmm
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Steffen Larsen
does anyone know if joachim actually signed up for editor? I know he signed up for upnp laison..
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m&m
hmm hmm hmmm … archiving editor@ … hmm hmm
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stpeter
Steffen Larsen: I defer to others on that, although we do need to get the UPnP thing going :-)
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Steffen Larsen
stpeter: yes
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m&m
yeah, "not it" on UPnP
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Steffen Larsen
m&m: updated the names on the wiki
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m&m
I could have updated that list myself! (-
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m&m
stpeter: (-:<
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m&m
I'm now waiting for Kev to apply the public key I sent him via IM
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Kev
stpeter: He did not volunteer on the list, and wasn't on the list selected by Council and Board, I think?
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m&m
he was not
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Kev
m&m: Scroll up four minutes.
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m&m
from my reading of the list(s)
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stpeter
Kev: that's my understanding
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Kev
I don't see a problem with adding him, I think it just needs Council to suggest it to Board.
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m&m
Kev: I did send my key over XMPP
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Kev
m&m: You should have access to the xmpp repository. Kev @ 21:07
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Kev
It was done, immediately!
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m&m
hrmph
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m&m
I did not see that
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m&m
I do not see that
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m&m
(in the history)
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m&m
anyway, thank you for applying my pubkey
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Kev
YW.
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Neustradamus
I am volunteer like I have said previously on xsf room at Dave Cridland
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stpeter
heh
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stpeter
it's always good to test the runbook
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m&m
exactly
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Kev
I think the README might be missing 'assign appropriate namespaces'?
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Steffen Larsen
ok g'night folks.. off to bed. cheers
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m&m
hrm
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m&m
oh, nevermind … I skipped a step (-:
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m&m
XEP-0152 is now at step 6 of XEP-README
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m&m
now I need someone with shell access to finish things off
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Kev
Ah yes, you needed that as well.
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m&m
(-:
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Kev
mamille?
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Kev
linuxwolf?
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m&m
the latter would be nicer, otherwise mamille2 (which is my work uid)
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Kev
Let me know when you're logged in.
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m&m
in
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Kev
Marvellous.
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Kev
I guess you don't need a password as you're not sudoing.
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Kev
You thought just being in the xsf group would be enough, yes?
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m&m
well, I haven't tried to run any of the scripts yet
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Neustradamus
stpeter: somes links do not work on http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-README.html maybe a little update?
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Kev
Hmm. I wonder if xmpp or xsf was what was meant.
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Kev
xsf
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m&m
logout and login as xsf@ ?
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Kev
You are now in the xsf group if you log out and in again.
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Kev
Which someone thought should be enough for you.
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m&m
I guess we'll see
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m&m
hrmph
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Kev
Give me a moment, I'll do something else.
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m&m
assuming "Update SVN on the webserver" means "Pull to editor's workspace from local git repository", I ran into a permissions problem
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m&m
if that helps suss out the next layer of this onion
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Kev
OK.
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Kev
Can you try sudo su - please?
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m&m
prompted for password
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Kev
sudo /bin/bash
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m&m
sudo is prompting for a password
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Kev
sudo -u xsf /usr/bin/vim
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Kev
And if that doesn't work, lastly
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Kev
sudo -u /bin/bash
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Kev
Which is the only one that should work, if I've not screwed up the sudo config.
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m&m
-u by itself?
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Kev
No.
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m&m
-u xsf
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Kev
Type what I meant, not what I said :)
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m&m
(-:
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m&m
still prompting for a password
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Kev
Hmm
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Kev
groups
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m&m
linuxwolf xsf
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Kev
OK.
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Kev
Now log out/in and try again.
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m&m
will do
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m&m
but why don't I just passwd?
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m&m
that worked
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Kev
The config is that you can only run one command, which is /bin/bash as xsf.
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Kev
I could add needing a password onto that as well. I guess that wouldn't be stupid.
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m&m
I think that would be a good idea
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m&m
oh, but I'll need my current password, because I'm not root (duh)
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Kev
You now have your current password.
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Kev
Please change it.
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m&m
password updated
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Kev
Good. You need your password to sudo now.
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m&m
and I'm prompted for a password on sudo
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m&m
ls -lhA
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m&m
er
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m&m
I must be an idiot, because I can't get past my permissions problem cloning the git repo
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stpeter
sorry, I was on a video call, what did I miss in those 60 messages? ;-)
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m&m
I am stuck on step 6 of "Advancing a XEP"
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stpeter
oh
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stpeter
well, you must have a password of some kind on athena, no?
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m&m
I do
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m&m
I'm logged in now
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stpeter
oh ok
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m&m
its a basic permissions problem
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stpeter
hrm
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stpeter
on which part?
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m&m
with the local git repo
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stpeter
I munged lots of steps into one
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stpeter
hrm
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m&m
readable only by the user "git"
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stpeter
local = on athena?
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m&m
or anyone in the "git" group
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m&m
yes
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m&m
assuming that "Update SVN on the webserver" means "Pull latest into git working directory"
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stpeter
oh I thought I removed all references to SVN
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stpeter
ah, not quite, I see
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stpeter
did you reload the README?
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m&m
oh
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m&m
I had a cached copy
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m&m
I had reloaded, but I didn't aggressively reload (-:
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m&m
ok
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m&m
I see I did mess up the <revision/> block then
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m&m
used <initials>Editor(mm)</initials> instead of <initials>XEP Editor (mm)</initials>
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m&m
that's trivial to fix
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stpeter
I foresee the need to make further fixes on the README
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m&m
testing
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stpeter
weird
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stpeter
anyway I see: git:x:1017: xsf:x:1018:git
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stpeter
which is strange
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stpeter
in /etc/groups
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m&m
hrmph
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m&m
very
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stpeter
/etc/group that is
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m&m
just tried to run archive.sh, and got: cp: cannot stat `/var/www/vhosts/xmpp.org/extensions/xep-.html': No such file or directory
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m&m
I don't know how innocuous that is
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stpeter
oh
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stpeter
heh
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stpeter
usage for those scripts is in the script
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stpeter
my bad
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m&m
(-:
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stpeter
we're finding errors in the documentation
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stpeter
so it's './archive.sh 0152' or whatever
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m&m
ah, ok
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stpeter
and lastcall.py takes a date
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stpeter
and so on
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stpeter
bad docs, bad scripts
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m&m
hehe
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stpeter
I'm sure the editor team can do better
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m&m
so that worked
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m&m
maybe
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m&m
"maybe" as in "maybe we could do better"
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m&m
so, "List Administration"
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m&m
this states I need to login to list-admin for standards@xmpp.org
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stpeter
right
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stpeter
the announcement email will go there
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stpeter
from running ./announce.py 0152
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m&m
right
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stpeter
but email from editor@ is modded
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stpeter
since otherwise we'd have lots more spam on the list
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m&m
sure
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m&m
it makes sense
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stpeter
I think we could fix some of that in the postfix config
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stpeter
discard all editor@ from addresses other than those originating locally
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m&m
/nod
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m&m
anyway
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m&m
I either need the admin password for standards, or you need to clear out the queue
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m&m
'cause we're ready to announce!
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m&m
(or the postfix config is jiggered)
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stpeter
just cleared the queue
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m&m
ok, calling announce now
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m&m
check the queue, should be a message pending from editor@xmpp.org
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