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17:35:05 jonas’
clearing the editor queue
17:35:15 pep.
Thanks
17:35:21 pep.
Sorry I'm not really active lately :x
17:35:29 jonas’
it’s ok
17:35:35 jonas’
I have this scheduled window now, which is fine
17:36:03 pep.
Yeah but still. It doesn't have to be only you :)
17:37:27 jonas’
all volunteers
17:37:35 jonas’
hm
17:37:54 jonas’
should change of status Draft -> Deprecated cause a version bump, and if it should, in which digit?
17:39:01 pep.
hmm.
17:39:23 jonas’
going with a major version bump, akin to moving to Final
17:39:31 pep.
I guess
17:39:35 pep.
Which one is that again
17:39:38 pep.
Ah the CS
17:39:53 jonas’
yeah
17:45:12 jonas’
https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/886 Editorial Change && Needs Version Block => Ready to Merge
17:45:16 jonas’
otherwise I may overlook it
17:45:19 jonas’
cc @ pep. ^
17:45:49 pep.
k
17:46:04 pep.
Well Needs Version Block is not ready to merge :p
17:46:09 jonas’
false
17:46:14 jonas’
version block is added by the editor
17:46:22 jonas’
ready to merge is defined as "no acknowledgements needed"
17:46:34 jonas’
> No acknowledgements of other parties are needed anymore. There may be changes to do at merge time.
17:46:34 pep.
Ah, ok then we had diverging definitions :)
17:46:40 jonas’
the definition is right below the label name ;)
17:46:47 pep.
I didn't even know there were descriptions for these
17:46:55 jonas’
there are more! https://github.com/xsf/xeps/labels
17:46:56 jonas’
:)
17:47:00 jonas’
I put some time into writing them some time ago
17:47:03 pep.
Yeah.. I never go there
17:47:04 jonas’
to streamline things
17:47:11 jonas’
they’re also shown in the dropdown below the names tho
17:47:31 pep.
k, well I just type part of the name and <Enter> :x
17:47:34 jonas’
at least here, maybe that’s just me?
17:47:34 Kev
No, not a major version bump, because that explicitly means it's become Final.
17:47:37 jonas’
https://sotecware.net/images/dont-puush-me/4_DzEj_Ne-G9gUBEITmBdizpYSV746Rih5g8IUaKVk4.png
17:47:42 jonas’
Kev, aaaagh, I hate our versioning!
17:47:47 jonas’
I truly hate it
17:47:52 jonas’
it drives me crazy
17:47:55 jonas’
goes back to roll back things
17:48:03 Kev
Oh, sorry. I didn't mean to be too late.
17:48:09 jonas’
sure, not your fault
17:48:14 jonas’
the weird versioning is at fault
17:48:17 jonas’
either way: what’s the right way then?
17:48:32 Kev
I don't know what we've done in the past for this, I'm afraid, but I do remember fairly clearly that bumping major version only happens -> Draft -> Final.
17:48:41 Kev
Let's see if Xep1 can help.
17:49:20 Kev
Right, XEP-0001 is at least clear that things only become 2.0 if they go Final.
17:49:26 Kev
That's something, I guess...
17:49:28 jonas’
for certain definitions of "clear" ;)
17:49:34 jonas’
I’ll go with a minor bump then.
17:49:44 Kev
Could just do editorial?
17:49:50 Kev
On account of there being no change in content?
17:50:07 jonas’
Kev, I would like to ensure that any notifiable event (i.e. which warrants an email) is at least a minor bump
17:50:08 Kev
And if it transpires that it needs to be a minor bump instead, it's much easier to add a bigger bump than it is to undo one?
17:50:27 jonas’
I won’t be sending mails for purely editorial changes in the future, and I’ll automate that distinction using the version number.
17:50:56 jonas’
(though, granted, this could also be detected by the change of state)
17:51:05 jonas’
so you’re right
17:51:11 jonas’
let’s do this on the patch level…
17:52:25 jonas’
Kev, thanks for chiming in before I hit the green button :)
17:52:55 Kev
Sorry for being a dissenting voice (although I do think it's the right thing to do here).
17:53:19 Kev
I haven't found anything in XEP1 yet that helps hint what to do, only what not to do, FWIW>
17:53:22 Kev
I haven't found anything in XEP1 yet that helps hint what to do, only what not to do, FWIW.
17:54:31 Kev
The last thing to be deprecated was https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0137.html in 2018, when Sam used a minor version bump, FWIW.
17:55:18 Kev
Prior to that 2017 https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0136.html when Sam also used minor. Before that https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0130.html in 2012, when Peter did a minor bump.
17:55:29 Kev
So if you want to do a minor bump there's certainly plenty of precedent.
17:56:05 Kev
(Oh, my ordering is stupid, those aren't the three most recent, but the point probably stands)
17:56:35 jonas’
I’m going with patch level now
17:56:44 jonas’
the tooling can deal with that, I was just confused
17:57:13 Kev
Anything other than major is probably fine :)
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