jdev - 2019-08-24

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  63. pep.

    OMEMO question: when talking to somebody not in my roster, how do I get updates for their devicelist/bundles?

  64. jonas’

    does directed presence help?

  65. jonas’

    (although *they* would have to send directed presence to you)

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  67. pep.

    How would that help me in knowing when something OMEMO-related has been changed?

  68. jonas’

    PEP is presence-based

  69. jonas’

    you’re subscribed as long as you receive presence

  70. pep.

    So if I have +notify and somebody sends me a directed presence and I also send one, I'd get PEP notifications?

  71. jonas’

    only they need to send you directed presence for you to get notifications

  72. jonas’

    that’s my rough understanding, I haven’t dug much into PEP

  73. pep.


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  75. Zash

    PEP doesn't work with directed presence AFAIK

  76. pep.

    less interesting

  77. pep.

    So I'd have to pull every so often?

  78. Zash

    IFF you have "PEP+", ie full blown pubsub, then you can subscribe manually

  79. pep.


  80. pep.

    I guess I can try that

  81. Zash

    I've looked at directed presence and PEP but it gets a bit complicated.

  82. pep.

    But then when do I unsubscribe

  83. pep.

    Do I ever unsubscribe

  84. Zash

    You should, yes, or you would be subscribed forever!

  85. pep.

    Is the subscription associated to the account? That is if I disconnect/reconnect it's still there?

  86. Zash

    Anyways, if directed presence gave you PEP read access, that would solve some PEP-in-MUC issues, but at the same time probably give more open access than what one normally wants

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  88. pep.

    How so

  89. pep.

    You could already subscribe manually

  90. Zash

    I mean for the default "presence" access model that normally limits access to your roster contacts

  91. Zash

    Directed presence and access_model=open might work

  92. pep.

    Yeah that's certainly enough for omemo at least.

  93. pep.

    I think implementations somewhat agreed to have access_model=open, right?

  94. pep.

    Even if that leaks the existence of the account

  95. pep.

    (but then vcard-temp already does that anyway?)

  96. Zash


  97. pep.

    Is that specified somewhere? That a directed presence would give you PEP notifications?

  98. Zash


  99. Zash

    Not that I know of

  100. Zash

    It makes some logical sense tho, at least for open nodes

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  103. pep.

    Ok I'll send something on standards at least

  104. jonas’

    seems reasonable

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  107. Daniel

    Are directed presence tracked and eventually followed by an unavailable once my session times out?

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