jdev - 2019-09-07

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  38. jonas’ unicode 3.2, as specified in RFC 6122, does not allow that nickname
  39. jonas’ stringprep with unicode 3.2, as specified in RFC 6122, does not allow that nickname
  40. Ge0rG It's the revenge of the 🤖
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  42. Zash R-R-R-Robot face
  43. tom is that so
  44. tom �"Z▒u$�܀�w����Bs��ё.�B�}Q������yu WK����'=J06��W�E�!��▒�ܖ�[�ڃ5���2&K�x�s��c �d� ^M���S���*I��(�3��xo�C�FKG%��3��^ݜ�������6`6�Y+"U�0n^V�4�ʔ^m%�Q=�K�z&閈B4�Ex��\�����h�Q[��{�ᤉ!'�6���\+K�E98c���K�@N��++x�R�T|H�-���Ϙ�,���$�
  45. linkmauve tom, your server would abort your connection if you were to send non-UTF-8 characters, so your client most likely prevented you from doing so.
  46. tom My client gives me a popup saying that a stanza was received from an invalid jid and therefor ignored
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  48. tom whenever that person with a lips pictogram in their name changes presence state in the chat
  49. tom that's also strange because I can't join groupchats with emojis for username
  50. linkmauve tom, you may want to update your client, I believe it was fixed in the following version.
  51. Ge0rG tom: upgrade your Gajim
  52. tom i see so that's not a protocol limitation
  53. Zash Would you prefer your server to stop talking to the MUC?
  54. tom no
  55. tom i'll just change the code
  56. tom *in the client
  57. pep. Now maybe you understand why I mentioned trying to backport master stuff, or starting from master even :)
  58. pep. Fixes, fixes everywhere! (And bugs)
  59. Zash Unicode is fun :)
  60. Ge0rG Forward compatibility is fun!
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  62. ͡ ͡ This is me now
  63. pep. How are references like this updated in RFCs? (Unicode has a bit more than 3.2 releases now)
  64. Zash pep.: another rfc that updates or replaces it
  65. Daniel Well we could move to precis
  66. Daniel But it's complicated
  67. Zash No implementation we can use yet that I'm aware of
  68. pep. But then precis also uses a specific version of Unicode right
  69. linkmauve Someone said yesterday they wanted to add PRECIS support to jid-rs!
  70. Daniel Does it?
  71. ͡ ͡ it's not finished until you can implement a full virtual machine in it plus 2 variants of javascript
  72. Zash Does it?
  73. Daniel I thought that was the point of precis not to
  74. pep. It doesn't?
  75. pep. Ah ok
  76. Daniel Who knows
  77. pep. Cool then
  78. Zash Kinda moot until there are implementations
  79. pep. Bootstrap issues?
  80. Daniel Is it hard to implement? I thought the point was also to make it easier
  81. pep. It's going to be fun when things start breaking because somebody does something else than stringprep
  82. Zash Robot face all over again
  83. ͡ ͡ Microsoft will just make another special snowflake encoding before that
  84. Ge0rG Just ensure that your implementation breaks in the most annoying way possible on remote-attacker-controlled data. You'll be fine.
  85. Zash Will do
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  92. jonas’ pep., no, precis does not use a specific version of unicode, which will be a rats nest of trouble
  93. jonas’ given that Unicode does make breaking changes between releases
  94. jonas’ there goes any validation we can reasonably do without breaking federation
  95. jonas’ except if we do things like rolling unicode-release upgrades through the network, which seems like a PITA to do
  96. pep. But then are you happy being stuck with Unicode 3.2? If Unicode breaks then we'll have to break anyway whenever we update the RFC. And of course it won't happen all at the same time in implementations
  97. jonas’ problem is, there’s no updating of the RFC involved for unicode upgrades
  98. jonas’ there’s no way to tell what version your peer uses
  99. jonas’ (for any definition of peer)
  100. jonas’ this also affects normalisation of stuff during login, which has the potential to lock folks out of their accounts
  101. pep. Is that also a reason we need <moved/>? :/
  102. jonas’ I don’t think this has anything to do with <moved/>?
  103. jonas’ stuff like that can happen on minor glibc upgrades for example
  104. jonas’ see the breakage that one glibc (unicode) update caused on postgres indices
  105. pep. I mean, people locked out of their accounts, that could be one use-case
  106. jonas’ yeah, eh, I don’t think that we should let it come to that?
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  108. pep. :x
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  116. Bra}{man Amnezia 😕 😕 😕
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