jdev - 2019-09-18

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  31. lovetox_ since my kid was born my average coding speed is, 10 lines / 3 days
  32. Ge0rG lovetox_: increase the output by teaching your kid to code :)
  33. lovetox_ thats the plan, but he is a bit selfish right now, cares only about eating and sleeping
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  35. jonas’ lovetox_, congrats, I guess?
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  43. MattJ lovetox_: congrats! Nearly three months for me and it's not much better :)
  44. lovetox_ omg
  45. Holger 10 years over here, still not much better.
  46. Holger I do get more sleep though than back then :-)
  47. Link Mauve It really sounds like hell, I don’t see myself ever wanting to get into that mess. :x
  48. pep. Yeah you're really not good at selling it
  49. MattJ I think it would be fair to say that if you're on the fence, don't :)
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  56. marc0s > I do get more sleep though than back then :-) Agree, I'm amazed how early can I go now to bed. 6yo and 3yo here and difficult to get anything done... Unless skipping sleep, which as said is lot harder now :)
  57. lovetox_ i get so tired in the evening, i look at the same line of code 5 minutes and have to think about what i wanted to do with it. So i go to bed because its not productive anyway
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  59. jonas’ what if both are on the fence, think they might be happy either way but still can’t decide?
  60. Ge0rG We are approaching a time of many crises. You should train your kids in prepping, survival and self-defense.
  61. pep. "How to train your dragon" might be appropriate material for this
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  63. Ge0rG pep.: the animated movie?
  64. pep. Yeah. End of the world, dragons etc..
  65. Ge0rG I haven't seen it as an apocalypse movie, need to rewatch, apparently.
  66. Zash s/End/Edge/ ?
  67. pep. Not an apocalypse movie, but useful material to know how to ride dragons in case of..
  68. Ge0rG pep.: in case of... what?
  69. Ge0rG In the case that refugees from adverse weather events become mutated monsters?
  70. pep. For example
  71. Ge0rG There was a book by Max Brooks.
  72. pep. Seems like a reasonable skill to have in thus case no?
  73. pep. Seems like a reasonable skill to have in this case no?
  74. Ge0rG I'm sure this is something a 6 year old will appreciate now, but maybe not something a 36 year old will appreciate in 30 years
  75. pep. You're too grumpy
  76. pep. But we knew that already :p
  77. Ge0rG pep.: I'm trying to give useful advice.
  78. Ge0rG If you decide to have kids, despite the global-political and climate landscape, prepare them for what is to come.
  79. pep. Yeah.. I got that bit. /me still hopes for dragons to show up
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  95. allie poor hurricane people 😔 I know first hand what that's like
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  123. lovetox weird, do i read this correctly
  124. lovetox https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#table-3
  125. lovetox this table means a owner cant kick a admin out of a room
  126. lovetox as both are role moderators
  127. lovetox and moderators can only kick participants and visitors
  128. lovetox this whole role/affiliation separation is only complicated
  129. lovetox i dont really see the benefit
  130. lovetox or lets say i dont see the benefit of role moderator
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  132. lovetox its basically a admin on a timer
  133. lovetox never saw any room use that ever
  134. Zash I think it has come in handy at some point, to quickly increase the number of mods
  135. lovetox how has this something to do with quick? i can also add someone quick to a admin list
  136. lovetox the use case is: i want to make you moderator but only until you disconnect
  137. lovetox when do i need that ever..
  138. lovetox im thinking about not supporting that use case anymore in Gajim
  139. lovetox makes everything only complicated, without any real benefit
  140. lovetox if you want someone that can give voice to people and kick participants, just make him admin
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  144. allie can admin remove the person who gave them admin, though?
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  146. MattJ lovetox: I wouldn't blame you for not supporting it. Also see the table here: https://docs.modernxmpp.org/client/groupchat/#terminology
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  149. lovetox yes allie
  150. allie but a moderator couldn't?
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  152. lovetox a moderator can not set affiliations
  153. lovetox moderator is a role
  154. lovetox a moderator can kick someone or give him voice
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  156. lovetox admin is permanent
  157. lovetox if a moderator kicks an admin out of a room, admin can just join again
  158. lovetox moderator cant ban someone or remove the affiliation (admin)
  159. lovetox moderator is basically only there to give people voice and kick someone
  160. allie I was just thinking maybe it was if you wanted someone to help moderate the discussion, but didn't want to give them admin powers beyond what was needed for moderation
  161. lovetox yes allie i think thats what people thought about when doing this
  162. lovetox but really no one is using that
  163. lovetox also roles are gone if you leave the room
  164. lovetox if i make you moderator and you rejoin the room
  165. lovetox i have to make you moderator again
  166. allie yah
  167. Zash Its modelled after IRC + chanserv
  168. lovetox its really a subtle difference, and i would argue most people dont care about the difference between admin and moderator
  169. lovetox MattJ, yeah i saw that, but this is only about displaying
  170. lovetox its much work to have all the logic what role and affiliation can do what in what situation
  171. lovetox if i want to make it good that is, i could offer the buttons to every role, and just let the MUC deal with throwing errors if its not allowed
  172. lovetox but i want to show only the buttons that are correct in a specific situation, if you click on a contact in a muc
  173. lovetox and you are admin, you should not see the option to make that contact owner
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  179. pep. "i want to show only the buttons that are correct in a specific situation, [..] you should not see the option to make that contact owner", I'm not saying there's wrong or right answer, but sometimes for consistency you might want to display a button: disabled, saying what the requirements are for that button to appear enabled on hover for example.
  180. pep. It happens so often that I'm really confused why I can't find an option anymore and then I realize I was missing some precondition, now I've lost 30mn, poked 3 people about it, opened an issue
  181. pep. (and +30mn for going through the code to understand the logic)
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