lovetox_since my kid was born my average coding speed is, 10 lines / 3 days
Ge0rGlovetox_: increase the output by teaching your kid to code :)
lovetox_thats the plan, but he is a bit selfish right now, cares only about eating and sleeping
jonas’lovetox_, congrats, I guess?
MattJlovetox_: congrats! Nearly three months for me and it's not much better :)
Holger10 years over here, still not much better.
HolgerI do get more sleep though than back then :-)
Link MauveIt really sounds like hell, I don’t see myself ever wanting to get into that mess. :x
pep.Yeah you're really not good at selling it
MattJI think it would be fair to say that if you're on the fence, don't :)
marc0s> I do get more sleep though than back then :-)
Agree, I'm amazed how early can I go now to bed. 6yo and 3yo here and difficult to get anything done... Unless skipping sleep, which as said is lot harder now :)
lovetox_i get so tired in the evening, i look at the same line of code 5 minutes and have to think about what i wanted to do with it. So i go to bed because its not productive anyway
jonas’what if both are on the fence, think they might be happy either way but still can’t decide?
Ge0rGWe are approaching a time of many crises. You should train your kids in prepping, survival and self-defense.
pep."How to train your dragon" might be appropriate material for this
Ge0rGpep.: the animated movie?
pep.Yeah. End of the world, dragons etc..
Ge0rGI haven't seen it as an apocalypse movie, need to rewatch, apparently.
pep.Not an apocalypse movie, but useful material to know how to ride dragons in case of..
Ge0rGpep.: in case of... what?
Ge0rGIn the case that refugees from adverse weather events become mutated monsters?
Ge0rGThere was a book by Max Brooks.
pep.Seems like a reasonable skill to have in thus case no?
pep.Seems like a reasonable skill to have in this case no?
Ge0rGI'm sure this is something a 6 year old will appreciate now, but maybe not something a 36 year old will appreciate in 30 years
pep.You're too grumpy
pep.But we knew that already :p
Ge0rGpep.: I'm trying to give useful advice.
Ge0rGIf you decide to have kids, despite the global-political and climate landscape, prepare them for what is to come.
pep.Yeah.. I got that bit. /me still hopes for dragons to show up
alliepoor hurricane people 😔 I know first hand what that's like
lovetoxthis table means a owner cant kick a admin out of a room
lovetoxas both are role moderators
lovetoxand moderators can only kick participants and visitors
lovetoxthis whole role/affiliation separation is only complicated
lovetoxi dont really see the benefit
lovetoxor lets say i dont see the benefit of role moderator
lovetoxits basically a admin on a timer
lovetoxnever saw any room use that ever
ZashI think it has come in handy at some point, to quickly increase the number of mods
lovetoxhow has this something to do with quick? i can also add someone quick to a admin list
lovetoxthe use case is: i want to make you moderator but only until you disconnect
lovetoxwhen do i need that ever..
lovetoxim thinking about not supporting that use case anymore in Gajim
lovetoxmakes everything only complicated, without any real benefit
lovetoxif you want someone that can give voice to people and kick participants, just make him admin
alliecan admin remove the person who gave them admin, though?
MattJlovetox: I wouldn't blame you for not supporting it. Also see the table here: https://docs.modernxmpp.org/client/groupchat/#terminology
alliebut a moderator couldn't?
lovetoxa moderator can not set affiliations
lovetoxmoderator is a role
lovetoxa moderator can kick someone or give him voice
lovetoxadmin is permanent
lovetoxif a moderator kicks an admin out of a room, admin can just join again
lovetoxmoderator cant ban someone or remove the affiliation (admin)
lovetoxmoderator is basically only there to give people voice and kick someone
allieI was just thinking maybe it was if you wanted someone to help moderate the discussion, but didn't want to give them admin powers beyond what was needed for moderation
lovetoxyes allie i think thats what people thought about when doing this
lovetoxbut really no one is using that
lovetoxalso roles are gone if you leave the room
lovetoxif i make you moderator and you rejoin the room
lovetoxi have to make you moderator again
ZashIts modelled after IRC + chanserv
lovetoxits really a subtle difference, and i would argue most people dont care about the difference between admin and moderator
lovetoxMattJ, yeah i saw that, but this is only about displaying
lovetoxits much work to have all the logic what role and affiliation can do what in what situation
lovetoxif i want to make it good that is, i could offer the buttons to every role, and just let the MUC deal with throwing errors if its not allowed
lovetoxbut i want to show only the buttons that are correct in a specific situation, if you click on a contact in a muc
lovetoxand you are admin, you should not see the option to make that contact owner
pep."i want to show only the buttons that are correct in a specific situation, [..] you should not see the option to make that contact owner", I'm not saying there's wrong or right answer, but sometimes for consistency you might want to display a button: disabled, saying what the requirements are for that button to appear enabled on hover for example.
pep.It happens so often that I'm really confused why I can't find an option anymore and then I realize I was missing some precondition, now I've lost 30mn, poked 3 people about it, opened an issue
pep.(and +30mn for going through the code to understand the logic)