jdev - 2019-09-18

since my kid was born my average coding speed is, 10 lines / 3 days

lovetox_: increase the output by teaching your kid to code :)

thats the plan, but he is a bit selfish right now, cares only about eating and sleeping

lovetox_, congrats, I guess?

lovetox_: congrats! Nearly three months for me and it's not much better :)

omg

10 years over here, still not much better.

I do get more sleep though than back then :-)

It really sounds like hell, I don’t see myself ever wanting to get into that mess. :x

Yeah you're really not good at selling it

I think it would be fair to say that if you're on the fence, don't :)

> I do get more sleep though than back then :-) Agree, I'm amazed how early can I go now to bed. 6yo and 3yo here and difficult to get anything done... Unless skipping sleep, which as said is lot harder now :)

i get so tired in the evening, i look at the same line of code 5 minutes and have to think about what i wanted to do with it. So i go to bed because its not productive anyway

what if both are on the fence, think they might be happy either way but still can’t decide?

We are approaching a time of many crises. You should train your kids in prepping, survival and self-defense.

"How to train your dragon" might be appropriate material for this

pep.: the animated movie?

Yeah. End of the world, dragons etc..

I haven't seen it as an apocalypse movie, need to rewatch, apparently.

s/End/Edge/ ?

Not an apocalypse movie, but useful material to know how to ride dragons in case of..

pep.: in case of... what?

In the case that refugees from adverse weather events become mutated monsters?

For example

There was a book by Max Brooks.

Seems like a reasonable skill to have in this case no? ✏

I'm sure this is something a 6 year old will appreciate now, but maybe not something a 36 year old will appreciate in 30 years

You're too grumpy

But we knew that already :p

pep.: I'm trying to give useful advice.

If you decide to have kids, despite the global-political and climate landscape, prepare them for what is to come.

Yeah.. I got that bit. /me still hopes for dragons to show up

poor hurricane people 😔 I know first hand what that's like

weird, do i read this correctly

https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#table-3

this table means a owner cant kick a admin out of a room

as both are role moderators

and moderators can only kick participants and visitors

this whole role/affiliation separation is only complicated

i dont really see the benefit

or lets say i dont see the benefit of role moderator

its basically a admin on a timer

never saw any room use that ever

I think it has come in handy at some point, to quickly increase the number of mods

how has this something to do with quick? i can also add someone quick to a admin list

the use case is: i want to make you moderator but only until you disconnect

when do i need that ever..

im thinking about not supporting that use case anymore in Gajim

makes everything only complicated, without any real benefit

if you want someone that can give voice to people and kick participants, just make him admin

can admin remove the person who gave them admin, though?

lovetox: I wouldn't blame you for not supporting it. Also see the table here: https://docs.modernxmpp.org/client/groupchat/#terminology

yes allie

but a moderator couldn't?

a moderator can not set affiliations

moderator is a role

a moderator can kick someone or give him voice

admin is permanent

if a moderator kicks an admin out of a room, admin can just join again

moderator cant ban someone or remove the affiliation (admin)

moderator is basically only there to give people voice and kick someone

I was just thinking maybe it was if you wanted someone to help moderate the discussion, but didn't want to give them admin powers beyond what was needed for moderation

yes allie i think thats what people thought about when doing this

but really no one is using that

also roles are gone if you leave the room

if i make you moderator and you rejoin the room

i have to make you moderator again

yah

Its modelled after IRC + chanserv

its really a subtle difference, and i would argue most people dont care about the difference between admin and moderator

MattJ, yeah i saw that, but this is only about displaying

its much work to have all the logic what role and affiliation can do what in what situation

if i want to make it good that is, i could offer the buttons to every role, and just let the MUC deal with throwing errors if its not allowed

but i want to show only the buttons that are correct in a specific situation, if you click on a contact in a muc

and you are admin, you should not see the option to make that contact owner

"i want to show only the buttons that are correct in a specific situation, [..] you should not see the option to make that contact owner", I'm not saying there's wrong or right answer, but sometimes for consistency you might want to display a button: disabled, saying what the requirements are for that button to appear enabled on hover for example.

It happens so often that I'm really confused why I can't find an option anymore and then I realize I was missing some precondition, now I've lost 30mn, poked 3 people about it, opened an issue

(and +30mn for going through the code to understand the logic)