jdev - 2019-12-13

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  80. lksjdflksjdf

    Does anyone know a public server that only has mam:1 for testing purposes?

  81. Link Mauve

    IIRC OpenFire did, at least until recently.

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  83. Link Mauve

    I don’t know of public services running it though.

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  86. Wojtek

    Tigase supports only mam:1 - you can check tigase.im/sure.im

  87. Link Mauve

    Wojtek, any reason it still hasn’t been updated to mam:2? The spec has been out for almost three years and many clients rely on its guarantees.

  88. Guus

    Openfire's latest updates attempt to support both MAM:1 and 2. You could install an older plugin. Not sure about the quality of support though.

  89. lksjdflksjdf

    Link Mauve, psst don't inspire them to upgrade, we'll loose test servers :]

  90. Link Mauve


  91. lksjdflksjdf

    thanks for the pointer Wojtek

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  96. Wojtek

    Link Mauve - no particular reason in itself

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  98. Wojtek

    on a separate note - why 0359 defines new element/namespace instead of requiring generation stanzas' IDs as UUID?

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  100. Link Mauve

    I wish it did, but maybe it isn’t discoverable properly.

  101. Link Mauve

    Also at some point it was a workaround for MUC being allowed to rewrite the sender’s @id (MUC has been fixed since then).

  102. Link Mauve


  103. MattJ

    It's not a question of discovery, as much as the id attribute is chosen by the sender, not the server

  104. Link Mauve

    MattJ, the origin-id is also chosen by the sender.

  105. MattJ

    <stanza-id> was originally <archived by='...' id='...'/> and then it was decided that the id should be made generic and not just a part of MAM

  106. MattJ

    Yes, <origin-id> is more of a hack that should probably be dropped (but some people still have arguments in favour of it iirc)

  107. MattJ

    In the switch from <archived> -> <stanza-id> we've actually lost a way for the server to indicate whether a stanza was/wasn't archived (but maybe that's fine if we tighten up the rules about what a server should/shouldn't archive)

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  109. Zash

    MattJ, did we?

  110. Kev

    Did we what?

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  112. Zash

    Is the server supposed to stamp <stanza-id> on non-archived stanzas?

  113. MattJ

    It MUST stamp them on archived stanzas, but nothing says it can't stamp them on non-archived stanzas

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  116. Zash

    Don't think we don't not do that maybe.

  117. Kev

    My assumption was that it wouldn't.

  118. Kev

    But hadn't realised that we'd left it open.

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  125. lksjdflksjdf

    Wojtek, unfortunately it doesn't seem to be possible to register a tigase.im/sure.im account 🙁 they don't do in-band registration and the website is broken - clicking on register account -> next simply doesn't do anything.

  126. Wojtek

    I'm aware of this issue (since a couple of minutes ago) - there is a problem with websocket, which we fixed a while back but installation wasn't updated yet

  127. Wojtek

    write to me in private message and I can create you an account

  128. Wojtek


  129. Zash

    Does Tigase not support SASL EXTERNAL for server-to-server authentication?

  130. Wojtek

    it's implemented recently, but not yet deployed

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  133. lksjdflksjdf

    Wojtek, great, thanks! 🙂

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  139. Wojtek

    yeah, it was long time needed

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  143. lksjdflksjdf

    hm trying to set the tigase.im mam archiving preference to anything other than "never" with conversations doesn't work, I haven't found out yet if it's a conversations or tigase (or a user) issue, though

  144. Wojtek

    hmm, having XML log would be helpful :-)

  145. lksjdflksjdf

    When I send the stanzas manually, it works 🤷 so either a conversations bug or my fault for using it wrongly 🙂

  146. Wojtek

    no I'm curious what's happening between conversation and Tigase because... it should just work :-)

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  149. lksjdflksjdf

    Wojtek, I don't know how to get an XML log out of conversations (that's not the client I'm currently testing, I just wanted to use it for that setting 😉 ), but I guess you should be able to reproduce the problem if you want to investigate it.

  150. Wojtek

    well, if it works with XML and it works with our clients... ;-)

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