It's not a question of discovery, as much as the id attribute is chosen by the sender, not the server
Link Mauve
MattJ, the origin-id is also chosen by the sender.
MattJ
<stanza-id> was originally <archived by='...' id='...'/> and then it was decided that the id should be made generic and not just a part of MAM
MattJ
Yes, <origin-id> is more of a hack that should probably be dropped (but some people still have arguments in favour of it iirc)
MattJ
In the switch from <archived> -> <stanza-id> we've actually lost a way for the server to indicate whether a stanza was/wasn't archived (but maybe that's fine if we tighten up the rules about what a server should/shouldn't archive)
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Zash
MattJ, did we?
Kev
Did we what?
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Is the server supposed to stamp <stanza-id> on non-archived stanzas?
MattJ
It MUST stamp them on archived stanzas, but nothing says it can't stamp them on non-archived stanzas
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Don't think we don't not do that maybe.
Kev
My assumption was that it wouldn't.
Kev
But hadn't realised that we'd left it open.
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lksjdflksjdf
Wojtek, unfortunately it doesn't seem to be possible to register a tigase.im/sure.im account 🙁 they don't do in-band registration and the website is broken - clicking on register account -> next simply doesn't do anything.
Wojtek
I'm aware of this issue (since a couple of minutes ago) - there is a problem with websocket, which we fixed a while back but installation wasn't updated yet
Wojtek
write to me in private message and I can create you an account
Wojtek
done
Zash
Does Tigase not support SASL EXTERNAL for server-to-server authentication?
Wojtek
it's implemented recently, but not yet deployed
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lksjdflksjdf
Wojtek, great, thanks! 🙂
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Zash
Nice
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Wojtek
yeah, it was long time needed
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hm trying to set the tigase.im mam archiving preference to anything other than "never" with conversations doesn't work, I haven't found out yet if it's a conversations or tigase (or a user) issue, though
Wojtek
hmm, having XML log would be helpful :-)
lksjdflksjdf
When I send the stanzas manually, it works 🤷 so either a conversations bug or my fault for using it wrongly 🙂
Wojtek
no I'm curious what's happening between conversation and Tigase because... it should just work :-)
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lksjdflksjdf
Wojtek, I don't know how to get an XML log out of conversations (that's not the client I'm currently testing, I just wanted to use it for that setting 😉 ), but I guess you should be able to reproduce the problem if you want to investigate it.
Wojtek
well, if it works with XML and it works with our clients... ;-)