jdev - 2020-01-15

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  87. lovetox does it make sense to try PLAIN on a host from xmpp-client?
  88. lovetox or does xmpp-client always mean START TLS
  89. MattJ PLAIN? The SASL mechanism?
  90. lovetox no, i mean no TLS
  91. MattJ Or do you mean a totally unencrypted connection?
  92. lovetox unencrypted
  93. MattJ It doesn't make sense to ever try an unencrypted connection
  94. Kev If what SRV resolves to doesn't offer TLS, it's a matter of local policy whether you'll continue without it.
  95. lovetox try is the wrong word
  96. lovetox the user wants to connect PLAIN, do i resolve xmpp-client and try there
  97. MattJ Yes
  98. lovetox or do i just resolve domain
  99. lovetox and use 5222
  100. MattJ You would still obey SRV
  101. Kev You always use SRV unless the user explicitly asks you not to (if you support such a thing).
  102. lovetox i wondered because xmpps-client is explicitly for DIRECT TLS
  103. lovetox so even if the user wants PLAIN, i would never try there
  104. lovetox i wondererd if xmpp-client is explicitly for START TLS
  105. Kev Calling it PLAIN is somewhat misleading. PLAIN is a SASL mechanism.
  106. Kev You mean 'The user asks to never use TLS', I think?
  107. flow lovetox, no, xmpp-client is for the TCP binding of XMPP defined bin RFC6120
  108. lovetox yes, the user asks to connect unencrypted
  109. lovetox ok good, thats what i wanted to know
  110. lovetox so i still have to resolve xmpp-client, before i go the domain:5222 fallback route
  111. MattJ Yes
  112. flow lovetox, that is what is written down in rfc6120 ;)
  113. lovetox i wondered why did we add websocket and bosh into a TXT record
  114. lovetox why not xmpp-client-websocket._tcp ..
  115. MattJ Because they need URLs
  116. lovetox ah its not allwoed
  117. lovetox ok
  118. lovetox its bit weird because it doesnt allow for weight and priority
  119. lovetox but i guess that would be really an edge case to have more than one websocket connection point
  120. MattJ HTTP doesn't
  121. lovetox ah so it always has to be over 80/443
  122. MattJ Yes
  123. lovetox that makes sense then
  124. MattJ We were discussing recently the 20 year-old bug report for Firefox to support SRV for HTTP
  125. MattJ Web folk have no interest in it
  126. lovetox writing since quite a time to move all connection/dns logic from gajim into nbxmpp
  127. lovetox if you want to support, xmpps, xmpp, websocket, unencrypted, proxy for websocket and tcp, setting a custom host (no srv resolution)
  128. lovetox and the lib should handle that all automatically, does get a bit complicated :D
  129. MattJ Indeed
  130. MattJ Someone needs to make a flowchart
  131. flow lovetox, that's exactly what I am also currently dealing with in my not-so-small smack refactor project
  132. lovetox but i have the luck of GLib taking most of the dns resolution away from me
  133. lovetox because if i would have to deal with stuff like happy eyeballs etc
  134. lovetox then i think it gets a bit crazy :)
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  136. flow I think you probably want happy eyeballs not only on the DNS level, but also on the connection level
  137. lovetox actually they ever provide methods like connect_to_service() where i just pass "xmpps-client"
  138. flow e.g. initiate TCP connections to the ipv4 and ipv6 endpoints in parallel
  139. lovetox yes flow GLib does that
  140. lovetox i incorrectly said DNS resolution, but GLib also does my connection
  141. flow nice
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  143. lovetox though i had to implement socks5 proxy myself, because the code is really broken in GLib, but socks5 is really minimal, so not a problem
  144. flow now you may only want to make parallel connect_to_service calls for tcp+tls/direct-tls/websocket/bosh and use the transport whoever finishes first ;)
  145. lovetox hm no because they are not equivalent
  146. flow (I actually thought about doing that in Smack but decided against it for the moment, only the endpoint discovery runs concurrently)
  147. flow lovetox, I'd argue they are equivalent
  148. lovetox not direct tls has fewer roundtrips
  149. lovetox websocket is not as efficient as tcp
  150. flow sure, but why does it matter
  151. lovetox why does efficiency matter?
  152. flow that's not what I said
  153. lovetox of course i will try the way with fewest roundtrips first
  154. flow yes, there is a higher overhead in some transports, but isn't it also important to the user that the connection is established fast?
  155. lovetox also the chance that xmpps connect is failing although the server admin specified a srv record for it
  156. lovetox is probably minimal to 0
  157. lovetox eyeballs for ipv4, and ipv6 was made, because some networks didnt allow for ipv6, and some did, so there was no way to tell at start what will succeed
  158. lovetox so they race both
  159. flow lovetox, why try the one with the fewest roundstrips first when you could try all concurrently and simple use the one that finishes connecting first?
  160. lovetox because its much more work
  161. lovetox and almost no benefit
  162. Kev It also possibly depends what you mean by 'connecting'.
  163. lovetox opening a writeable socket
  164. flow lovetox, right, that's why I decided against it (for now)
  165. Kev A server operator probably isn't going to thank you for doing 6* as many TLS negotiations as you need, etc.
  166. flow Kev, true, but you could just not do TLS and define "connected" as layer 4 connection (e.g. TCP) established
  167. lovetox yes only open a socket
  168. lovetox also i do not retry with different connection method, if something fails while TLS negotiation or even on xmpp level
  169. lovetox then its just failed, im not helping the admin shadowing broken connection points
  170. flow well retry a different XMPP transport after a TLS negoation failure appears sensible. After all it could be a misconfigured BOSH endpoint while the other endpoint is correctly configured
  171. lovetox yeah exactly, no it does not make sense to me
  172. Kev Or not misconfigured, but a local transparent proxy is breaking HTTP.
  173. lovetox this way the point will never get fixed
  174. flow lovetox, I usually follow that argumentation, but it's the job of a client library to establish a connection whenever possible
  175. flow aborting the connection attempt seems even for me a little bit to harsh
  176. lovetox i think we have to disagree here
  177. flow of course we have
  178. lovetox and i think you never implement this right?
  179. flow define "this" pls
  180. lovetox retry different connection method if tls or xmpplevel fails
  181. flow I was explicitly only talking about TLS negotiation
  182. flow No, since Smack past and current design does iterate over different transports. It's only the new design that allows for modular transports to be used for the same connection, so I was not able to implement it in the past
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  184. lovetox yeah retry on error on xmpp level is just wrong for me
  185. lovetox and TLS .. maybe
  186. lovetox but think its tricky, would have to find out what TLS errors are errors where i want to try different
  187. lovetox cert error for example definitly not
  188. flow I'd thought especially cert errors
  189. lovetox and really do i want to connect desperatly to a server , where the admin didnt set up TLS correctly
  190. lovetox i dont know
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  193. flow *does *not* iterate
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  202. lovetox yeah i need to implement also POSH
  203. lovetox i forgot about that one
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  307. leosbrf Hello all, I'm trying to implement a "reply to" requirement. I use an ejabberd server. Can anyone point me directions on how I can implement this? I know about Threads (xep-0201), but the problem is that I need to get the parent message from the server and I didn't find a way to query for specific messages (I don't have all the message history, because I'm paging it)
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  309. leosbrf .
  310. MattJ ,
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  314. MattJ You mean that you have a message, it says it is "in reply to message XYZ" and you need to find message XYZ?
  315. leosbrf yes
  316. leosbrf I also could make a query starting from 'message XYZ' and returning all other messages after it
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  319. leosbrf but the xmpp specs only gives me three fields: with, start, end
  320. MattJ Yeah, the current version of the XEP doesn't really support this use-case
  321. Zash hack: ask for one message and set rsm 'before' to the one you want and 'max=1', then request the message after the one you get.
  322. MattJ Ha
  323. MattJ But no, that's a terrible solution :)
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  326. leosbrf Zash , I tried that solution, but I would have to send a start/end filter. But the stanza only gives me an id which I believe is a unix timestamp. Still, I could not convert it to a proper datetime string accepted by the form_type. It gives me a NAN error 🤔
  327. Zash You shouldn't assume anything about archive ids, they're opaque strings.
  328. Zash As for ejabberd requiring all three MAM form fields, that's just weird.
  329. lovetox it does not
  330. Zash Looks like it to me
  331. lovetox maybe we talk about different things
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  333. lovetox but its impossible, the prime uscase and example in MAM is querying the archive without any formfield set
  334. lovetox and im pretty sure i never did set all 3 formfields ever
  335. Zash Every time I try that with an ejabberd, I get an error back.
  336. lovetox and MAM works fine
  337. Zash MUC-MAM tho
  338. lovetox why would that be different
  339. Zash Don't ask me
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  342. leosbrf in ejabberd (my settings) you could pass zero or more of the following fields: <field var="with" type="jid-single" label="User JID" /> <field var="start" type="text-single" label="Search from the date" /> <field var="end" type="text-single" label="Search until the date" /> <field var="withtext" type="text-single" label="Search the text" />
  343. lovetox please show the xml of your query
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  345. leosbrf sure, one sec
  346. Zash <iq id='2' type='set' to='kuketzblog@rooms.dismail.de'><query queryid='f850e845-ce9e-4fd1-875d-206c6394ddbe' xmlns='urn:xmpp:mam:2'><x type='submit' xmlns='jabber:x:data'><field type='hidden' var='FORM_TYPE'><value>urn:xmpp:mam:2</value></field><field type='jid-single' var='with'/><field type='text-single' var='start'/><field type='text-single' var='end'/></x><set xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/rsm'/></query></iq> <iq type='error' from='kuketzblog@rooms.dismail.de' id='2' xml:lang='sv'><query queryid='f850e845-ce9e-4fd1-875d-206c6394ddbe' xmlns='urn:xmpp:mam:2'><set xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/rsm'/><x xmlns='jabber:x:data' type='submit'><field type='hidden' var='FORM_TYPE'><value>urn:xmpp:mam:2</value></field><field type='jid-single' var='with'/><field type='text-single' var='start'/><field type='text-single' var='end'/></x></query><error type='modify' code='400'><bad-request xmlns='urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-stanzas'/><text xmlns='urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-stanzas' xml:lang='en'>Bad value of field &apos;with&apos; of type &apos;urn:xmpp:mam:1&apos;</text></error></iq>
  347. lovetox em, yeah nobody does it like that
  348. Zash Oh because the fields are there?
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  351. Zash Works with Prosody
  352. leosbrf <iq id="supported_query_fields" to="some_room@conference.localhost" type="get" xmlns="jabber:client"><query xmlns="urn:xmpp:mam:2"/></iq>
  353. lovetox correct
  354. lovetox then i would say you dont respect the XEP zash
  355. lovetox the xep says server must only use the default if the field is omitted
  356. lovetox not if the value is omitted
  357. leosbrf and it returns: <iq xmlns="jabber:client" xml:lang="en" to="admin@localhost/106417850532246324662946" from="some_room@conference.localhost" type="result" id="supported_query_fields"> <query xmlns="urn:xmpp:mam:2"> <x xmlns="jabber❌data" type="form"> <field var="FORM_TYPE" type="hidden"> <value>urn:xmpp:mam:2</value> </field> <field var="with" type="jid-single" label="User JID" /> <field var="start" type="text-single" label="Search from the date" /> <field var="end" type="text-single" label="Search until the date" /> <field var="withtext" type="text-single" label="Search the text" /> </x> </query> </iq>
  358. lovetox leosbrf, you need to do a "set" query, not a "get"
  359. lovetox what you request is the filter options
  360. lovetox but you dont need filters
  361. lovetox the xep is a bit weird this way, but there are 2 important distinctions
  362. Zash No code I have can distinguish between <field> being omitted and <value> being omitted.
  363. lovetox filterng and limiting
  364. lovetox as you see the filtering options dont help you with your usecase
  365. lovetox so just set no filter, which would tirgger the server to give you all messages in the archive
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  367. lovetox but because you dont want all messages, you limit this result now to one message with a specific id
  368. lovetox you can do this with adding a rsm node
  369. leosbrf lovetox , how can I limit that? What is the stanza that I need to send to server?
  370. lovetox <set xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/rsm'> <max>1</max> <after>09af3-cc343-b409f</after> </set>
  371. lovetox but as pointed out, you would need the message id, before the one you want
  372. lovetox you sadly cant request a specific id, you can only get all message after an id or before an id
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  374. lovetox https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0313.html#query-paging
  375. lovetox btw what xep do you want to implement here that needs that?
  376. leosbrf I stuck in getting that id. Because when I request the room history, the stanzas returned have this format: <message xmlns="jabber:client" to="admin@localhost/3247206387247491563010" from="some_room@conference.localhost"> <result xmlns="urn:xmpp:mam:2" id="1578509255305907"> <forwarded xmlns="urn:xmpp:forward:0"> <message xmlns="jabber:client" xml:lang="en" from="some_room@conference.localhost/leo1" type="groupchat"> <x xmlns="http://jabber.org/protocol/muc#user"> <item jid="leo1@localhost/107114335247801189862018" /> </x> <archived xmlns="urn:xmpp:mam:tmp" by="some_room@conference.localhost" id="1578509255305907" /> <stanza-id xmlns="urn:xmpp:sid:0" by="some_room@conference.localhost" id="1578509255305907" /> <urls /> <body>someone send a message</body> </message> <delay xmlns="urn:xmpp:delay" from="conference.localhost" stamp="2020-01-08T18:47:35.305907Z" /> </forwarded> </result> </message>
  377. lovetox what xep you want to implement?
  378. lovetox what is "reply to"
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  387. leosbrf what is "reply to"? that is a similar functionality that whatsapp provides (you click a message and click reply). The way I implement, I would store the message id in the child message
  388. leosbrf lovetox 👆
  389. lovetox so not a XEP
  390. lovetox you doing your own thing
  391. lovetox yeah attaching something to a message is a big discussion right now, and its currently not possible
  392. lovetox because MAM is not adapted to that usecase
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  396. leosbrf hmm, so that is the reason why I spent some hours researching and found none implementation..hehe . But something you said before gave me directions. In this example: <after>09af3-cc343-b409f</after>. Is this code something dynamically generated for the current query request?
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  435. leosbrf @lovetox , Anyway, thank you for the information provided
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