jdev - 2020-04-10

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  41. Guus jonas’ aioxmpp output now part of the Openfire Travis build: https://travis-ci.org/github/igniterealtime/Openfire/jobs/673309693
  42. Guus loads of output - would love to get guidance on a) how to run only integration tests, b) how to interpret output
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  74. lovetox so what is the suggested way of using priority right now
  75. lovetox Gajim allows the user to set his own priority if he wants
  76. lovetox per default i would use 0
  77. lovetox then Gajim adjusts automatically the priority according to show value
  78. lovetox means away = 50, dnd = 100
  79. lovetox does this still make sense in todays enviorment?
  80. Zash Carbons kinda obsoleted priority.
  81. lovetox yeah i thought so, but it maybe still can be useful?
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  83. lovetox so you would suggest always use 0, expect user for some reason override
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  86. wurstsalat lovetox, for optional priority there is a recommendation as well https://docs.modernxmpp.org/client/design/#deprecated-options
  87. lovetox yeah thanks
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  90. Holger lovetox, either way increasing the prio for away and dnd looks wrong way round, no?
  91. lovetox did not look it up in the code
  92. lovetox i just wanted to give an example
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  94. Holger Ah.
  95. Holger Anyway I would think the advantage of setting prio depending on status might be interop with old-school (non-carbons) use cases. OTOH the advantage of everyone sticking to prio=0 will usually emulate carbon behavior for incoming messages (if they're sent to the bare JID).
  96. Holger The advantage of producing correct English sentences exists does not.
  97. lovetox but is that something you would add as opt-in (shwo prio adjustments)
  98. lovetox or would it be the default to do tat
  99. lovetox or would it be the default to do that
  100. lovetox actually you are online with 3 resources, all have prio 0 :D
  101. Holger I tried to explain why I'm unsure. Not very helpful I know 🙂 In the end I'd probably stick to prio=0 by default as that's what everyone recommends for modern clients. Probably due to the "emulate carbons" idea.
  102. lovetox i guess i keep the feature, but default to prio 0
  103. Holger And for normal end-user clients I'd definitely not expose prio knobs to users, but I guess Gajim is still also a power-user client.
  104. Holger So yeah "keep feature but default to 0" sounds sensible to me.
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  113. jonas’ Guus, so, the output is roughly like this: ERROR: […] followed by an (often not immediately useful) traceback, followed by a debug log which includes the verbatim bytes sent and received over the XML stream
  114. jonas’ best to be read from bottom to top, since the top part often contains pre-test negotiation
  115. jonas’ in the first case, aioxmpp receives <item-not-found/> in response to a disco#info query, which is at least wierd
  116. jonas’ aioxmpp.e2etest.provision.client14.XMLStream: DEBUG: RECV b'<iq type="error" id=":rnZ16HksNXwLMrtNoyAx" from="1dphv93k5z@example.org" to="1dphv93k5z@example.org/1dphv93k5z"><query xmlns="http://jabber.org/protocol/disco#info"></query><error code="404" type="cancel"><item-not-found xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-stanzas"/></error></iq>'
  117. jonas’ as to running only e2e tests … that’s a good question, I don’t think that’s supported. I’m also not sure it’s immediately useful, since the normal tests should pass too (and are orders of magnitude faster than the e2etests, so they are often neglegible in runtime). The advantage of running all tests is that if another test fails, it may be an indicator that something is broken in the environment which may cause false-positives in the e2etests
  118. jonas’ Guus, more detailed discussion we probably better take into some 1:1 chat
  119. jonas’ but this should already be useful; item-not-found in response to a disco#info without a node is at least weird
  120. Guus jonas’ sure - or in open_chat - we're currently doing more aioxmpp ci setup there.
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  190. lovetox https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0100.html#addressing is there something more elaborate
  191. lovetox this simply does not work for IRC transports
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  193. lovetox its very hard for a client to provide some good UI how a user can join a irc channel
  194. lovetox what i would want is the server returns a form with fields server and channel
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  196. Zash Hold on why is an Informational XEP specifying protocol?
  197. lovetox user puts it in, and server returns a JID that i can join or add to the roster
  198. Zash lovetox, isn't that https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0100.html#addressing-iqgateway ?
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  201. Zash Oh, only one field?
  202. lovetox yes exactly
  203. lovetox very extendable !!
  204. Zash Should at least be fine in single-server-mode, but then you probably don't need more than standard MUC UI
  205. jonas’ lovetox, tbh, for jabbercat I simply intended to implement the biboumi syntax.
  206. jonas’ there is no other IRC gateway anyways nowadays
  207. jonas’ :)
  208. Zash maybe you and the biboumi folks could conspire to write a XEP?
  209. jonas’ that’d be good
  210. jonas’ advertise single vs. multi-server mode, specify the addressing format
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  212. lovetox i think irc could be really nice integrated into a client
  213. jonas’ agreed
  214. jonas’ only with a good gateway though
  215. jonas’ (hence, basing on biboumi)
  216. lovetox the only thing thats a bit clunky now is joining a channel
  217. lovetox normal user has no way of discoverying the syntax, i could of course hardcode it
  218. lovetox but meh
  219. Zash I guess the Matrix bridge has the same problem
  220. lovetox i just wanted to write that
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  222. lovetox and basically every federated protocol that has groupchat caps
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  227. pep. lovetox, there are more clunky things than just joining a channel tbh
  228. Zash From something like `<feature var="urn:xmpp:gateways:muc-like-using-percent-to-separate-hostname-from-channel"/>` to some dataform-in-disco to something like that XEP-0100 protocol but better.
  229. pep. NickServ for one..
  230. pep. I wouldn't want to impose that on a user who isn't experienced with IRC
  231. Zash How's that managed by biboumi? (So long since I set it up I've forgotten)
  232. pep. And then maybe it's a biboumi thing, the persistency stuff. it's nice but it's also confusing. Users leaving channels and not getting why they're still getting messages from the IRC server
  233. Zash Broadcasts?
  234. pep. "but I'm not joined on any channels on this server anymore!" ("yes.. you are..")
  235. pulkomandy ircv3.net standardises sasl to identify with an irc network. But maybe not for creating an account
  236. Zash Or you mean some bug where biboumi gets out of sync with your resources?
  237. pep. Zash, no yeah notices
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  239. pep. Or reconnections, I think that also generates noise. While it's good to know, that will confuse people
  240. pep. pulkomandy, yeah biboumi is missing sasl support. But not every IRC server supports that either tbh..
  241. pep. And I don't know about account creation indeed
  242. pep. Also ghosting etc.
  243. pep. You can't really escape the NickServ!!
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  246. Zash Is "NickServ" standardized or discoverable?
  247. Zash Could you map it to ad-hoc or something?
  248. pep. Implementation detail?
  249. pep. I think it's just the most common nick out there? Unsure
  250. pulkomandy There has to be an irc server somewhere that goes otherwise, probably...
  251. lovetox of course for a full integrated bridge there would be more to do
  252. pep. sasl seems to be the way(tm), all implementation "just" need support
  253. Zash this is the way
  254. pep. Was QuakeNet also using NickServ? I seem to remember something different
  255. pep. Or maybe it was just the Ops bots?
  256. pep. channel bots etc.
  257. jonas’ Q
  258. pep. Which were named Q, L
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  260. pep. k
  261. pulkomandy But if it was me working on this I'd go with ircv3 specs as the things I expect from servers. For other servers maybe have a degraded/failsafe mode?
  262. pep. Well here you go
  263. pep. pulkomandy, is there a discovery mechanism to know if the sasl you're attempting will work?
  264. pep. I guess you negociate sasl anyway
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  266. pulkomandy They have a "capability negociation" thing in the ircv3 spec. But I didn't read it
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  268. pulkomandy sasl seems to be listed there
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  594. ali pulkomandy, > (١٠.٠٤.٢٠٢٠ ١٧:١٤:٤٥) pulkomandy: But if it was me working on this I'd go with ircv3 specs as the things I expect from servers. For other servers maybe have a degraded/failsafe mode?
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