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jcbrand
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Hello, is there a way to check whether a nickname is available *before* joining a MUC?
XEP-0045 has a section on discovering whether you've already registerd a nick for yourself in the MUC, but I don't see anything about checking whether a particular nick is available.
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pep.
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that would mean having access to the participant list before joining?
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pep.
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in a way
Ge0rG
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jcbrand: what's the issue with trying to join with a nickname you want to use?
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jcbrand
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Ge0rG: there is no issue, I want users of a particular service that is built on XMPP to be able to check availability of a nickname before actually joining with that nickname.
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jcbrand
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pep. I don't think you need the participant list. Could be as simple as sending an IQ to a MUC and asking whether a particular nick is taken or not
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Ge0rG
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jcbrand: that's a kind of access to the occupant list. You could enumerate nicknames that way ;)
pep.
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this ^
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jcbrand
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Which you maybe don't want in some cases, but in others you don't mind whether someone can enumerate the nicknames
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it's a feature 🙂
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pep.
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:/
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jcbrand
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Also, if the service tells you that a nick is not available, it might also be due to other reasons, not that it's taken ✎
jcbrand
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Also, if the service tells you that a nick is not available, it might also be due to other reasons, not neccessarily that it's taken ✏
jcbrand
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Also, if the service tells you that a nick is not available, it might also be due to other reasons, not necessarily that it's taken ✏
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pep.
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in a world where presence is moot, like the xep you just published, can you not just attempt a join?
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(it's your xep right?)
jcbrand
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You still get all the presence stanzas initially when you join ✎
jcbrand
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You still get all the presence stanzas initially when you join for the firs ttime ✏
jcbrand
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You still get all the presence stanzas initially when you join for the first time ✏
pep.
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sure, but you know right away if the nick is available or not
pep.
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you get an error otherwise
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jonas’
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also you have a "lock" on the nickname at that point
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jonas’
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which is good, because someone could steal your nickname between you checking via the IQ and you actually joining
pep.
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right, also that
jcbrand
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Very unlikely and not something worth worrying about IMO
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jcbrand
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I think the value of being able to check outweighs that concern in my case
pep.
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I'm saying you already have the tools to check
jcbrand
11:53:18
Not before you join the room
jonas’
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jcbrand, could you do nickname registration?
pep.
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joining the room is just a technical detail
pep.
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you don't have to show it in the UI right away
jonas’
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pep., it’s not, it discloses the join attempt to everyone and also distributes traffic ✎
jcbrand
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pep. it's a detail that complicates the code and causes unnecessary traffic
jonas’
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pep., it’s not, it discloses the join attempt to everyone and also causes traffic ✏
pep.
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jonas’: if the goal is to join anyway..
jonas’
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you also have to leave the room if the user decides to pick a different nickname after the check and deal with all the stanzas you get after joining
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jcbrand
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jonas’ AFAIK you can only register a nick *after* joining the MUC
jonas’
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pep., in my mind, there’s a "pick your username" form where a green tickmark appears when you move focus away from the nickname field. The user could still change the nickname later (before joining) or abort the process.
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jcbrand
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Yes, I didn't say that the goal is to join anyway
jcbrand
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You might decide not to join because a particular nick is taken already
pep.
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that's an issue only if the nick isn't already taken
jcbrand
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?
pep.
11:57:03
others wouldn't know you tried to join if the nick is already taken as you get an error
jcbrand
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jonas’ what you describe is roughly what I'm after. I think making it possible to allow nick registration without joining a MUC is the solution
jonas’
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jcbrand, you still have to un-register the nickname if the user aborts the flow in some way
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jcbrand
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uh yeah of course...
jonas’
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maybe by expiring all nickname registrations which never joined after 5 minutes or something like that
jcbrand
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😛
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pep.
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"of course" :p
jcbrand
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Seems a bit kludgy
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pep.
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"oops the user quit the client"
jonas’
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(and also explicitly un-registering when the user changes their choice)
jonas’
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jcbrand, not really. having a control loop which does cleanup of (expected and unexpected) error cases is a good thingâ„¢
jcbrand
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I think something like nick registration, but that simply indicates availability is preferable. Could be a new XEP, and if people hate it I might then just do it for this one use-case
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