jdev - 2020-04-15


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  275. Ge0rG I'm looking for public servers that have: - IBR with a captcha - Redirection from IBR, https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0077.html#redirect - IBR and run ejabberd
  276. Martin Maybe also ask in operators
  277. Ge0rG Martin: right, thanks
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  279. pep. jonas’, your ToS thing is up for the taking I assume? Talking about IBR
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  281. pep. I'm finally working on opening up my service and that's a requirement to me. (at least if we get things going I know I won't be stuck with http redirects forever)
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  284. jonas’ pep., -v please
  285. pep. Long ago when we did gdpr stuff you proposed a tos spec
  286. jonas’ I know
  287. jonas’ you can invent something better than that, sure
  288. jonas’ I don’t intend to continue to work on it
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  290. pep. Right that was my question. I might as well reuse the name :P
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  304. DebXWoody I'm going to implement XEP-0373. Just tried to add my JID like xmpp:user@domain.tld. https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0373.html#openpgp-user-ids gpg> adduid Ihr Name ("Vorname Nachname"): xmpp:test@domain.tld Email-Adresse: Kommentar: Sie haben diese User-ID gewählt: "xmpp:test@domain.tld" Bitte keine Emailadressen als Namen oder Kommentar verwenden It's not possible, because gpg says: The name look like a email address. --quick-adduid is working.
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  306. flow DebXWoody, that's more of an gpg API issue
  307. DebXWoody Yes, but it should look like I did?
  308. DebXWoody Add the xmpp URI as name and keep mail and comment empty.
  309. flow I haven't verified that gpg will then produce the according rfc4880 subpacket, but it's not unreasonable that it does
  310. flow IIRC gpg provides a dump command to inspect the rfc4880 structure
  311. flow one potentially want to use that to verify that the result is compliant to xep373
  312. pep. I think I used xmpp URIs in the email or comment field last time I tried
  313. flow you potentially want to use that to verify that the result is compliant to xep373
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  315. pep. I think I used xmpp URIs in the email last time I tried
  316. flow I'd guess either of name or mail address is fine
  317. pep. flow, hmm, that'S gonna be slightly problematic if gpg doesn't accept it. Assume most implementations will use gpg / gpgme or similar for this :/
  318. flow pep., well they should use the high level gpg api for taht
  319. flow besides older gpg versions are known to have a problematic api
  320. flow mostly because older gpg versions had no api, so gpg APIs where build around the gpg command line interface and parsed the gpp output
  321. flow every reasonable OpenPGP API lets you create the User ID Packet with an arbitrary string
  322. flow cause that is what rfc4880 specifies: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4880#section-5.11
  323. pep. ok
  324. flow in the example DebXWoody gave, gpg is trying to prevent the user doing something uncommon (assuming the user wants to use gpg as gpg believes it should be used)
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  326. flow they should use the high level gpg api for taht → they should *not* use the high level gpg API for that
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  328. lovetox gpg lets you do this
  329. lovetox you just have to pass the proper commands
  330. lovetox there is a command that lets you skip all those checks
  331. lovetox for example --allow-freeform-uid
  332. lovetox Disable all checks on the form of the user ID while generating a new one.
  333. flow lovetox, yep, DebXWoody already mentioned --quick-add-uid
  334. pep. One wouldn't use gpg directly though right? :/
  335. pep. I mean gnupg
  336. lovetox if the command line app will not support something,i think your chances are low that you can do it programmatically
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  338. flow pep., yes, you would want to use an library providing an OpenPGP API
  339. flow for gnugp there is gpgme, but I can't comment on its suitability nor usability
  340. flow but there a dozens of alternatives
  341. pep. dozens?
  342. flow https://neopg.io/
  343. flow https://sequoia-pgp.org/
  344. flow paul's pgpainless (java)
  345. flow https://www.openpgp.org/software/developer/
  346. lovetox gpgme is not very advanced
  347. lovetox i remember when i implemented gpg in gajim, it didnt even had an api for importing a key
  348. lovetox the python bindings i mean
  349. flow the situation of python openpgp APIs was not good a few years ago, I hope that changed
  350. lovetox i think someone worked on the python gpgme bindings
  351. lovetox and it can do now more but didnt look since a year
  352. pep. Yeah last time I checked was the berlin sprint last year
  353. pep. Using the Rust binding of gpgpme. I might use sequoia someday if I tackle this again
  354. flow sequoia is in very good standing
  355. flow definetly something to look out for
  356. pep. It's been a few years I've known about them, just never had the chance
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  372. DebXWoody gpgme is ok: https://codeberg.org/xmpp-messenger/xmppc/src/branch/master/src/mode/pgp.c#L99
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  376. DebXWoody I like the idea of XEP-0373 and 0027 is obsolete. But I don't get why there is https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0373.html#synchro-pep within XEP-0373? Is it ok to skip it or is the client in those case not XEP-0373? My key is on a Nitrokey / Smartcard and I would like to use this key for 0373. There is no need to sync the private key and there is also no need to create a new one for me.
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  379. flow DebXWoody, nothing in xep373 mandates that this is mandatory-to-implement
  380. DebXWoody ok
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  383. flow the xep(s) deliberately keep a degree of freedom here, while sketching a schema that could work to get the average users to use OpenPGP encrypted XMPP messages (without ideally even being aware that she/he does)
  384. flow the xep(s) deliberately keep a degree of freedom here, while sketching a scheme that could work to get the average users to use OpenPGP encrypted XMPP messages (without ideally even being aware that she/he does)
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