jdev - 2020-05-25

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  348. lovetox what was the idea behinde the show value "xa"
  349. lovetox is there any guide, when the elders thought a user wants to set this show value?
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  351. lovetox compared to normal away
  352. jonas’ lovetox, in a setting where rich presence is important (e.g. work), I’d set xa when leaving for lunch
  353. jonas’ while away would be managed by some auto-away-type functionality
  354. jonas’ pidgin also sets xa after a long time of auto-away
  355. jonas’ which I don’t necessarily agree with
  356. lovetox i dont agree on that also
  357. jonas’ but to be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if this was simply a copycat move from other messengers from the 90ies era
  358. lovetox we can add the idle time to auto-away
  359. lovetox and that tells the user how long im gone
  360. lovetox but extended away makes a prediction about the future
  361. lovetox which the client cant do automatically
  362. jonas’ s/how long im gone/how long I have been gone so far/
  363. lovetox yeah sorry
  364. lovetox i meant that
  365. jonas’ also, xa isn’t really good for "how long I will be gone" either -- when a coworker looks at that status, it might be one minute before I return
  366. lovetox so why do you set it if you go for lunch :D
  367. jonas’ it’s probably best combined with a human explanatino in the <status/> field -- I’d for example set my status to "lunch (eta: 13:00)" or something like that
  368. jonas’ because I do that ^
  369. lovetox ok but you can also set a status with away
  370. lovetox servs the same purpose
  371. jonas’ depends on how it’s displayed really
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  373. jonas’ in a client with tight space (e.g. pidgin with narrow roster item view), you only see away vs. xa unless you hover
  374. jonas’ in a client with tight space (e.g. pidgin with narrow roster item view), you only see away vs. xa (colour-coded) unless you hover
  375. lovetox why would you say if i let my users not set xa, and only support away
  376. jonas’ so if you see the contact is xa, you know to hover to get info about for how long they’ll be gone
  377. lovetox what would you say if i let my users not set xa, and only support away
  378. lovetox i also dont see it on other messangers
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  380. jonas’ lovetox, not sure. I’m not sure rich presence matters for non-corporate environments, at all.
  381. lovetox the ususally have DND and Away
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  383. jonas’ indeed. rocketchat doesn’t have it either (which is what we use at work), so I set myself to Away + status message.
  384. lovetox yeah but im not anti-corporate
  385. Link Mauve I have some contacts who got annoyed when I stopped updating my presence.
  386. jonas’ I miss XA actually, I’d prefer if I could see right away if this is some auto-away or an intentional xa
  387. jonas’ I miss xa in rocketchat actually, I’d prefer if I could see right away if this is some auto-away or an intentional xa
  388. Link Mauve As in, they didn’t know when I was asleep anymore or having lunch or outside.
  389. lovetox you can jonas Gajim
  390. lovetox Gajim adds (Auto-Away)
  391. lovetox to the status message
  392. jonas’ lovetox, but that’s not shown in a single line roster entry
  393. jonas’ there I can only see (colour-coded or with icons) away vs. xa
  394. lovetox https://share.hoerist.com/philipp/oFB3QDry6WRCBWKm/aa62581d-ce01-478d-aa7d-28fd4bb78bf2.png
  395. lovetox but yeah not every client does this
  396. lovetox some dont show it at all
  397. jonas’ that’s multi-line, and I turn that off whereever I can because vertical space is precious
  398. lovetox not even color
  399. jonas’ (and I don’t use things which don’t let me turn that off)
  400. lovetox then you dont show avatars also i guess
  401. lovetox because there will never be a single line avatar
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  403. jonas’ they fit perfectly in a single-line
  404. jonas’ (rocketchat is a good example there, for once)
  405. lovetox of course i can make font-size 20
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  407. lovetox then font is as big as the avatar
  408. lovetox and its single line :D
  409. jonas’ since when do avatars have a fixed size?
  410. pulkomandy 8x8 px avatars are cool :D
  411. lovetox single line is not a good metric
  412. Link Mauve We do that in poezio, except they’re 16×16. o/
  413. lovetox as you dont control how big a single line is
  414. Link Mauve 16 characters. :D
  415. jonas’ https://share.dreckshal.de/dpm/d-EXdargb6K9eGI0uMppveGuDJm8SJdpI6M3N-O0r8U.png looks like this :)
  416. jonas’ lovetox, oh I do. system-wide fontsize ;)
  417. lovetox thats huge font size
  418. jonas’ that’s highdpi
  419. jonas’ it’s not huge on the real screen :>
  420. lovetox ok you won, this gets to complicated for me
  421. jonas’ but there’s plenty pixels for an avatar
  422. lovetox have your single line and be happy :)
  423. jonas’ thanks :)
  424. lovetox ok next question
  425. lovetox if you have to map a single color to show
  426. lovetox what would XA be
  427. lovetox and if you say red, then the next question is, what would DND be
  428. jonas’ lovetox, I’d have away as something blue-ish and xa as yellow-orange-ish
  429. lovetox my argument would be, red means in most messengers, im busy
  430. lovetox while XA is a state that only xmpp has
  431. jonas’ but actually you shouldn’t be using colours only, because that’s not accessible
  432. lovetox yeah
  433. lovetox i agree, but not on my priority list right now
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  462. rion Is there any client implementing omemo >= 0.4.0?
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  464. pep. clients I don't think so, but https://github.com/dino/libomemo-c
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  467. larma There is a feature branch in Dino: https://github.com/dino/dino/tree/feature/omemo1
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