jdev - 2020-05-25

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  348. lovetox

    what was the idea behinde the show value "xa"

  349. lovetox

    is there any guide, when the elders thought a user wants to set this show value?

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  351. lovetox

    compared to normal away

  352. jonas’

    lovetox, in a setting where rich presence is important (e.g. work), I’d set xa when leaving for lunch

  353. jonas’

    while away would be managed by some auto-away-type functionality

  354. jonas’

    pidgin also sets xa after a long time of auto-away

  355. jonas’

    which I don’t necessarily agree with

  356. lovetox

    i dont agree on that also

  357. jonas’

    but to be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if this was simply a copycat move from other messengers from the 90ies era

  358. lovetox

    we can add the idle time to auto-away

  359. lovetox

    and that tells the user how long im gone

  360. lovetox

    but extended away makes a prediction about the future

  361. lovetox

    which the client cant do automatically

  362. jonas’

    s/how long im gone/how long I have been gone so far/

  363. lovetox

    yeah sorry

  364. lovetox

    i meant that

  365. jonas’

    also, xa isn’t really good for "how long I will be gone" either -- when a coworker looks at that status, it might be one minute before I return

  366. lovetox

    so why do you set it if you go for lunch :D

  367. jonas’

    it’s probably best combined with a human explanatino in the <status/> field -- I’d for example set my status to "lunch (eta: 13:00)" or something like that

  368. jonas’

    because I do that ^

  369. lovetox

    ok but you can also set a status with away

  370. lovetox

    servs the same purpose

  371. jonas’

    depends on how it’s displayed really

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  373. jonas’

    in a client with tight space (e.g. pidgin with narrow roster item view), you only see away vs. xa unless you hover

  374. jonas’

    in a client with tight space (e.g. pidgin with narrow roster item view), you only see away vs. xa (colour-coded) unless you hover

  375. lovetox

    why would you say if i let my users not set xa, and only support away

  376. jonas’

    so if you see the contact is xa, you know to hover to get info about for how long they’ll be gone

  377. lovetox

    what would you say if i let my users not set xa, and only support away

  378. lovetox

    i also dont see it on other messangers

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  380. jonas’

    lovetox, not sure. I’m not sure rich presence matters for non-corporate environments, at all.

  381. lovetox

    the ususally have DND and Away

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  383. jonas’

    indeed. rocketchat doesn’t have it either (which is what we use at work), so I set myself to Away + status message.

  384. lovetox

    yeah but im not anti-corporate

  385. Link Mauve

    I have some contacts who got annoyed when I stopped updating my presence.

  386. jonas’

    I miss XA actually, I’d prefer if I could see right away if this is some auto-away or an intentional xa

  387. jonas’

    I miss xa in rocketchat actually, I’d prefer if I could see right away if this is some auto-away or an intentional xa

  388. Link Mauve

    As in, they didn’t know when I was asleep anymore or having lunch or outside.

  389. lovetox

    you can jonas Gajim

  390. lovetox

    Gajim adds (Auto-Away)

  391. lovetox

    to the status message

  392. jonas’

    lovetox, but that’s not shown in a single line roster entry

  393. jonas’

    there I can only see (colour-coded or with icons) away vs. xa

  394. lovetox


  395. lovetox

    but yeah not every client does this

  396. lovetox

    some dont show it at all

  397. jonas’

    that’s multi-line, and I turn that off whereever I can because vertical space is precious

  398. lovetox

    not even color

  399. jonas’

    (and I don’t use things which don’t let me turn that off)

  400. lovetox

    then you dont show avatars also i guess

  401. lovetox

    because there will never be a single line avatar

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  403. jonas’

    they fit perfectly in a single-line

  404. jonas’

    (rocketchat is a good example there, for once)

  405. lovetox

    of course i can make font-size 20

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  407. lovetox

    then font is as big as the avatar

  408. lovetox

    and its single line :D

  409. jonas’

    since when do avatars have a fixed size?

  410. pulkomandy

    8x8 px avatars are cool :D

  411. lovetox

    single line is not a good metric

  412. Link Mauve

    We do that in poezio, except they’re 16×16. o/

  413. lovetox

    as you dont control how big a single line is

  414. Link Mauve

    16 characters. :D

  415. jonas’

    https://share.dreckshal.de/dpm/d-EXdargb6K9eGI0uMppveGuDJm8SJdpI6M3N-O0r8U.png looks like this :)

  416. jonas’

    lovetox, oh I do. system-wide fontsize ;)

  417. lovetox

    thats huge font size

  418. jonas’

    that’s highdpi

  419. jonas’

    it’s not huge on the real screen :>

  420. lovetox

    ok you won, this gets to complicated for me

  421. jonas’

    but there’s plenty pixels for an avatar

  422. lovetox

    have your single line and be happy :)

  423. jonas’

    thanks :)

  424. lovetox

    ok next question

  425. lovetox

    if you have to map a single color to show

  426. lovetox

    what would XA be

  427. lovetox

    and if you say red, then the next question is, what would DND be

  428. jonas’

    lovetox, I’d have away as something blue-ish and xa as yellow-orange-ish

  429. lovetox

    my argument would be, red means in most messengers, im busy

  430. lovetox

    while XA is a state that only xmpp has

  431. jonas’

    but actually you shouldn’t be using colours only, because that’s not accessible

  432. lovetox


  433. lovetox

    i agree, but not on my priority list right now

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  462. rion

    Is there any client implementing omemo >= 0.4.0?

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  464. pep.

    clients I don't think so, but https://github.com/dino/libomemo-c

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  467. larma

    There is a feature branch in Dino: https://github.com/dino/dino/tree/feature/omemo1

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