lovetoxjonas’, extend away should actualy be called busy
lovetoxthen it would make more sense
lovetoxmeaning im in a call or a meeting, im at my pc but im busy
lovetoxstill receiving notifications and message and may answer if someone writes me
lovetoxcompared to dnd, where im maybe holding a presentation, will not get notifications and will definitly not answer
lovetoxand away is just away from the pc, and the reason should be mentions in the status message
lovetoxactually thats what skype does, maybe im biased because i have to use it at work, but these states always made sense for me
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lovetoxcompared to extended away, what does that even mean, im a little more away from my pc then with only away
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jonas’what’s the difference between busy and dnd?
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theTeddfrom RFC 6121; 4.7.2.1 Show Element:
away -- The entity or resource is temporarily away.
chat -- The entity or resource is actively interested in chatting.
dnd -- The entity or resource is busy (dnd = "Do Not Disturb").
xa -- The entity or resource is away for an extended period (xa = "eXtended Away").
theTeddbusy = dnd
theTeddidle = away
theTedd'really away' = xa
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jonas’theTedd, that was in reply to lovetox’:
> 18:39:58 lovetox> meaning im in a call or a meeting, im at my pc but im busy
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18:40:38 lovetox> compared to dnd, where im maybe holding a presentation, will not get notifications and will definitly not answer
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jonas’theTedd, that was in reply to lovetox’:
> 18:39:58 lovetox> meaning im in a call or a meeting, im at my pc but im busy
> […]
> 18:40:38 lovetox> compared to dnd, where im maybe holding a presentation, will not get notifications and will definitly not answer
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jonas’also, theTedd, thanks.
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lovetoxi thought i made the difference clear
theTeddfrom around the 2000s, msn/live messenger had several extra 'away' states, which we could have argued fit into 'extended away' as lovetox suggests it, but the rfc says otherwise
lovetoxDND means, i will not get notified if you send me something, i will no know that you send me something, and i will not answer
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jonas’I’m not sure when I’d use "busy" instead of "dnd"
jonas’if I’m too busy to react, I don’t want notifications either. maybe that’s just me?
lovetoxif you are in a meeting but not presenting you use busy
theTedd"I'm busy, but please distract me"
lovetoxthat means if someone writes you he cannot expect that you write back, but he has a chance
lovetoxwhile with DND he has no chance
lovetoxyou will not even see his messges
jonas’no, I’m either offline (if I don’t want to be distracted), dnd (if I have to have read access) or online (if I’m ok with replying)
jonas’no, I’m either offline (if I don’t want to be distracted), dnd (if I have to have controlled read access) or online (if I’m ok with replying)
lovetoxyou cant be offline
jonas’lovetox, tell that to networkmanager
lovetoxif you are disconnected you can have a call
lovetoxif you are disconnected you cant have a call
jonas’aha
jonas’riiight
lovetoxas i said above, think about skype
jonas’now that makes a bit more sense now, I didn’t consider the chat being the thing where I’m busy in
lovetoxyou are in a group call, for eample
jonas’I never really used skype
jonas’aynways, gotta run now
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lovetoxtheTedd, i dont see the difference between idle and extended away
lovetoxidle means my computer is idle for a prolonged time
lovetoxmeans im not at the computer
lovetoxso away from the computer
lovetoxextended away is a matter of interpretation
theTeddyes, it's "auto-away" probably temporary
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lovetoxfor some people 20 minutes not on your job computer, is really long
lovetoxfor me 5 hours is really short
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theTeddextended away is either intentional "not here!" or auto away after a long period
lovetoxyeah ok, but state is something you want to tell to others, and if someone esle sees you are beeing "extended away"
lovetoxthis means essentially nothing
theTeddthey don't, they only see 'away'
lovetoxbecuase it could mean you come back in the next minute
lovetoxor in the next hour
lovetoxor in the next week
theTeddyou have the option to tell when you'll be back, otherwise there's no way to know anyway
lovetoxare you saying other clients should not show the a difference between xa and away?
lovetoxbut thats what i mean, for other people xa or away makes no difference
lovetoxyou are not here
lovetoxand they cannot know for how long, except you tell them
theTeddaway should be for a short time only - it should become xa after a (configurable) reasonable time
lovetoxha you say that, and Gajim has exactly that code
lovetoxbut im questioning if this is still useful
lovetoxbecause we have idle time
lovetoxpeople know how long im away
lovetoxthey dont need the state for that
theTeddif you enable that
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lovetoxof course, if not i wouldnt also enable xa after x minutes, because that would also reveal info
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theTeddyou can enable xa after n minutes without indicating n
lovetoxeither way, i cant really change the meaning of extended away can i?
lovetoxit really says "away"
theTeddit's in the the rfc, so you'll struggle
lovetoxi cant make it to "here but busy"
lovetoxall clients will interpret it wrong
lovetoxdamn
theTeddbusy is usually assumed "I may not see your message, even though I am here (doing something)"
lovetoxso if you think about a client that can make phone calls
lovetoxwould you switch to DND once the call starts?
ZashAre you saying that "here but busy" is not dnd?
lovetoxits probably a bit too much
theTeddshow=dnd, status="in a call"
theTeddZash, lovetox would like two 'busy' states: busy but distractable, and very busy
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theTeddfrom the client side that's easy, but it wouldn't indicate to a sender whether you will be notified (but you're busy either way)