jdev - 2020-07-02

so we are thinking about impl 0377

any thoughts?

go for it.

does prosody support that?

There's a 3rd party plugin for it

!xep-0377 ✏

No bot here

He, somehow I assumed we are in the prosody muc here. Sorry for the noise.#

It's https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0377.html

Thanks, but I already searxed it. :D

lovetox: The prosody community module worked for me with conversations. Don't know if any other client is supporting it already.

we are in the progress of adding it to gajim

There was that discussion on whether it really should be tied into blocking the way it is. And it doesn't really cover what happens with the reports, but that could be a separate XEP (some day?).

i think it covers the most usual cases

so yeah it maybe does not cover some exotic uses of reporting abuse

but i think most people receive spam and want to block and report

I mean, it doesn't cover handling of abuse reports (by admins)

why would this be a XEP though?

i guess admin looks at it, looks at reported account, and decides to ban or warn

Pretty much.

It does expose the message content?

no

An admin might be able to retrieve that from MAM tho

I don't want to dig into users MAM…

Is this even legal?

I think it was suggested last time this came up that it could include an archive id, then the admin can pull only that message and look at it.

it is legal

"Here, look at this spam/abuse" would probably make it legal, but IANAL

Ok, then I have a moral problem with it. :D But if I can get only the reported message via the ID I'd be good with it.

did you know if you ping in a certain state in america its illegal

i think thats so crazy

Zash: Yeah, my concern was seeing other messages as well, while digging through the archive, but with retrieving it by ID that would be no issue anymore.

And that should also cover concerns about forgery that would be possible if you included the whole message when reporting.

but thats what end to end encryptoion is for

em, if you want to stop spammers you have to look at content

if you say outright you will never look at user content, then there is really no way for you to stop spammers, and abuse reports could be false

I won't look at _all messages_ because one was reported at spam.

For spam reports admins might only be interested in aggregates for forwarding to the originating server.

377 data isn't really used today afaik

OTOH, not sure how the XMPP story on handling other kinds of abuse is today.

Martin, you look at the last 20 messages

you see with one look if its obviously spam

So, in project management speak, MVP is "minimal viable product" - but what's MLP?

What about fail2ban??

I've never heard of Minimum Lovable Product, Guus :D https://themindstudios.com/blog/mlp-vs-mvp-vs-mmp/

woooow... thanks SouL. I googled, but didn't find that one

Remember to add many heart emojis if you do an MLP