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lovetox
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so we are thinking about impl 0377
lovetox
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any thoughts?
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Zash
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go for it.
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lovetox
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does prosody support that?
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Zash
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There's a 3rd party plugin for it
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Martin
18:48:41
[xep 0377] ✎
Martin
18:48:53
[xep-0377] ✎ ✏
Martin
18:49:11
!xep-0377 ✏
Zash
18:49:32
No bot here
Martin
18:49:57
He, somehow I assumed we are in the prosody muc here. Sorry for the noise.#
Zash
18:50:11
It's https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0377.html
Martin
18:50:36
Thanks, but I already searxed it. :D
Martin
18:51:22
lovetox: The prosody community module worked for me with conversations. Don't know if any other client is supporting it already.
lovetox
18:52:21
we are in the progress of adding it to gajim
Zash
18:53:51
There was that discussion on whether it really should be tied into blocking the way it is. And it doesn't really cover what happens with the reports, but that could be a separate XEP (some day?).
lovetox
18:56:00
i think it covers the most usual cases
lovetox
18:56:32
so yeah it maybe does not cover some exotic uses of reporting abuse
lovetox
18:56:57
but i think most people receive spam and want to block and report
Zash
18:56:57
I mean, it doesn't cover handling of abuse reports (by admins)
lovetox
18:57:12
why would this be a XEP though?
lovetox
18:57:41
i guess admin looks at it, looks at reported account, and decides to ban or warn
Zash
18:58:11
Pretty much.
Martin
18:58:43
It does expose the message content?
Zash
18:58:56
no
Zash
18:59:17
An admin might be able to retrieve that from MAM tho
Martin
18:59:33
I don't want to dig into users MAM…
Martin
18:59:56
Is this even legal?
Zash
19:00:10
I think it was suggested last time this came up that it could include an archive id, then the admin can pull only that message and look at it.
Matt
19:00:24
it is legal
Zash
19:00:42
"Here, look at this spam/abuse" would probably make it legal, but IANAL
Martin
19:01:16
Ok, then I have a moral problem with it. :D But if I can get only the reported message via the ID I'd be good with it.
Matt
19:01:18
did you know if you ping in a certain state in america its illegal
Matt
19:01:22
i think thats so crazy
Martin
19:02:24
Zash: Yeah, my concern was seeing other messages as well, while digging through the archive, but with retrieving it by ID that would be no issue anymore.
Zash
19:03:07
And that should also cover concerns about forgery that would be possible if you included the whole message when reporting.
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Matt
19:04:29
but thats what end to end encryptoion is for
lovetox
19:05:20
em, if you want to stop spammers you have to look at content
lovetox
19:05:55
if you say outright you will never look at user content, then there is really no way for you to stop spammers, and abuse reports could be false
Martin
19:06:32
I won't look at _all messages_ because one was reported at spam.
Zash
19:08:48
For spam reports admins might only be interested in aggregates for forwarding to the originating server.
Zash
19:09:36
377 data isn't really used today afaik
Zash
19:10:39
OTOH, not sure how the XMPP story on handling other kinds of abuse is today.
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lovetox
19:28:30
Martin, you look at the last 20 messages
lovetox
19:28:58
you see with one look if its obviously spam
Guus
19:31:24
So, in project management speak, MVP is "minimal viable product" - but what's MLP?
Matt
19:31:41
What about fail2ban??
SouL
19:35:15
I've never heard of Minimum Lovable Product, Guus :D
https://themindstudios.com/blog/mlp-vs-mvp-vs-mmp/
Guus
19:36:44
woooow... thanks SouL. I googled, but didn't find that one
SouL
19:36:58
Remember to add many heart emojis if you do an MLP
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