jdev - 2020-08-02

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  180. eta I've just had an amazingly cursed idea
  181. eta so, when someone's client leaves a MUC they go offline, right, and leave the MUC
  182. eta could you continue to send that client messages for the MUC and would they be stored in offline storage?
  183. Ge0rG eta: when a client goes offline, their server will normally respond with errors to all MUC messages, leading to a kick of the client
  184. eta awww
  185. Ge0rG eta: the most interesting idea so far was to register XEP-0357: Push Notifications on each MUC, so that the MUC would send a push when a given client leaves, causing the client to be woken up and to rejoin
  186. Ge0rG AFAIK it wasn't implemented yet
  187. eta Ge0rG: I'm mainly trying to avoid having to store messages for a transport
  188. eta or at least, trying to offload storage to user servers
  189. Ge0rG eta: that's a nice idea, but won't work because users' servers drop groupchat from MAM
  190. eta Ge0rG: and offline storage?
  191. Ge0rG eta: never stored groupchat, and is also rather deprecated
  192. eta ah
  193. eta Ge0rG: what's wrong with offline storage?
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  195. Ge0rG eta: it will be depleted by the first client coming online, your second client won't see anything from it
  196. eta oh is it not per-resource?
  197. Zash I experimented with having everything sent from the users bare JID, instead of the full JID
  198. eta okay that's a bit garbage
  199. eta Zash: yeah, the minimix thing
  200. Zash Yeah, that
  201. eta but that doesn't solve the MAM issue
  202. Zash Maybe we've talked about it
  203. eta we have :)
  204. Zash eta: Not directly, but it can solve the MAM issue, with some trickery.
  205. eta Zash: i.e. get the MAM service to store groupchat messages too?
  206. Zash You'd have to have the minimix and MAM conspire together
  207. Ge0rG what we need is more trickery.
  208. eta (and intercept MAM queries for the room JID)
  209. Zash Hacks upon hacks upon hacks
  210. eta that's how protocols work, of course
  211. eta "layers are only added, never removed"
  212. eta Zash: surely this would solve all the problems though?
  213. eta I guess it'd impose a storage burden on the servers
  215. Ge0rG what about just going forward with XMPP 2.0?
  216. eta Ge0rG: XMPP *what*
  217. Ge0rG eta: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XMPP_2.0
  218. eta Zash: yep, all the problems all fixed, no more work needed
  219. eta Ge0rG: oh, fancy
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  262. lovetox its assumed that a well maintained server, has pubsub persist items set to True by default on new nodes, or?
  263. lovetox im asking if i need to have code that reconfigures the node
  264. lovetox or if this is something i can tell users to bug the admin with
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