etaso, when someone's client leaves a MUC they go offline, right, and leave the MUC
etacould you continue to send that client messages for the MUC and would they be stored in offline storage?
Ge0rGeta: when a client goes offline, their server will normally respond with errors to all MUC messages, leading to a kick of the client
Ge0rGeta: the most interesting idea so far was to register XEP-0357: Push Notifications on each MUC, so that the MUC would send a push when a given client leaves, causing the client to be woken up and to rejoin
Ge0rGAFAIK it wasn't implemented yet
etaGe0rG: I'm mainly trying to avoid having to store messages for a transport
etaor at least, trying to offload storage to user servers
Ge0rGeta: that's a nice idea, but won't work because users' servers drop groupchat from MAM
etaGe0rG: and offline storage?
Ge0rGeta: never stored groupchat, and is also rather deprecated
etaGe0rG: what's wrong with offline storage?
Ge0rGeta: it will be depleted by the first client coming online, your second client won't see anything from it
etaoh is it not per-resource?
ZashI experimented with having everything sent from the users bare JID, instead of the full JID
etaokay that's a bit garbage
etaZash: yeah, the minimix thing
etabut that doesn't solve the MAM issue
ZashMaybe we've talked about it
etawe have :)
Zasheta: Not directly, but it can solve the MAM issue, with some trickery.
etaZash: i.e. get the MAM service to store groupchat messages too?
ZashYou'd have to have the minimix and MAM conspire together
Ge0rGwhat we need is more trickery.
eta(and intercept MAM queries for the room JID)
ZashHacks upon hacks upon hacks
etathat's how protocols work, of course
eta"layers are only added, never removed"
etaZash: surely this would solve all the problems though?
etaI guess it'd impose a storage burden on the servers
ZashALL THE PROBLEMS
Ge0rGwhat about just going forward with XMPP 2.0?
etaGe0rG: XMPP *what*
etaZash: yep, all the problems all fixed, no more work needed
etaGe0rG: oh, fancy
lovetoxits assumed that a well maintained server, has pubsub persist items set to True by default on new nodes, or?
lovetoxim asking if i need to have code that reconfigures the node
lovetoxor if this is something i can tell users to bug the admin with