jdev - 2020-09-11

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  101. edhelas hello :)
  102. edhelas do you know where I can find some servers to test Direct TLS, I'd like to have cases where the DNS returns the "." SRV
  103. Ge0rG maybe somebody has a test instance, I wouldn't expect anybody using that setup in prod
  104. lovetox i guess you need a server that has setup that special dns entry
  105. lovetox because almost all servers support direct tls
  106. lovetox or lets say, many
  107. Guus edhelas: IgniteRealtime.org has, but I suspect that the s2s direct TLS implementation is broken
  108. lovetox oh you mean s2s
  109. Guus C2S is also enabled there
  110. Guus (with direct TLS on port 5223)
  111. Guus (should have the DNS srv records?
  112. Guus (should have the DNS srv records)
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  121. pep. lovetox, many implementations support it, that doesn't say anything about deployments
  122. pep. Well, whatever default there is would probably be a majority
  123. pep. I don't remember prosody nor ejabberd enabling that by default
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  127. Guus They don't? Curious, what's the downside?
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  133. Martin What are you talking about? Xmpps srv records for direct tls?
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  140. pep. Martin, yes
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  142. pep. Guus, maybe it's just a matter of not doing it "yet", maybe it isn't. Personally I don't have that setup on my own server and I'm still alive and well
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  146. Guus Ah, for just s2s that makes sense, yes
  147. pep. I'm talking about c2s mostly
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  153. Guus Doesn't direct TLS outdate StartTLS?
  154. lovetox pep., alsmost all servers that i see offer direct tls
  155. lovetox conversations.im, jabber.fr are the most obvious
  156. Zash Outdate? Where'd you get that from?
  157. Guus I mean outdate as in "is older than". I based that on nothing but the order in which both were implemented in Openfire (where direct TLS was referenced to as the legacy way of doing things)
  158. lovetox yes funny in old gajim code direct tls was also named legacy
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  289. lovetox would it be sensible for a server to remove all pending sub requests when i block a user
  290. Zash Yes
  291. lovetox i think ejabberd doesnt do this
  292. Zash Oh right it doesn't say this in https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0191.html#impl
  293. Zash Just that it MAY cancel existing subscriptions, which I don't think is a good idea
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  295. lovetox im not even talking about subscriptions
  296. lovetox im talking about requests
  297. Zash I know
  298. lovetox ejabberd just sends me peridocally the requests again and again
  299. Zash Can you deny it after blocking?
  300. lovetox no
  301. lovetox actually i do deny it before blocking
  302. lovetox why the hell is ejabberd still sending me this
  303. Zash In prosody the denying would get blocked, which is why we delete pending subscription requests. Something of an implementation detail tho.
  304. Zash Letting you deny it yourself would also have worked.
  305. Zash As someone mentioned yesterday however, it might be a good idea to tell the user/client that the sub request was retracted
  306. Zash Prosody doesn't currently, it just silently deletes
  307. Zash lovetox: This kind of stuff ought to go into that Implementation Notes section
  308. lovetox yeah
  309. Zash You probably don't want to reject the sub request before blocking, IIRC this notifies the sender that your account exists which is probably not desirable.
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  314. pep. If a user provides a custom host I don't do SRV right? Just A/AAAA if the thing is resolvable even (might be an IP?)
  315. Zash Yes
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  332. lovetox yes pep.
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  335. pep. I'm tried really hard coming up with examples of when sombody would need SRV with a custom host, and I got one, probably not worth handling just yet (until somebody comes grumping, then, maybe.)
  336. pep. An admin could server a domain foo.bar that doesn't point to their server baz.qxx, which server has a specific DNS setup that needs SRV resolution :x
  337. pep. An admin could serve a domain foo.bar that doesn't point to their server baz.qxx, which server has a specific DNS setup that needs SRV resolution :x
  338. pep. At this point I'd probably just tell them "use a different custom domain", or PRs welcome
  339. lovetox custom host means, connect to that host, not do srv and connect to another host
  340. lovetox because then you could just put that host in there
  341. pep. in where
  342. lovetox in the custom host field
  343. pep. yeah so what I said
  344. lovetox custom host is probably only used if you are to lazy or in a situation where you dont want to setup the dns
  345. Zash Or some cases where you can't access DNS properly, like with Tor
  346. lovetox if tor is activated, i just pass domain.org:5222 to TOR
  347. lovetox if that fails to connect, there is nothing you can do and need to abort
  348. pep. How do you know it's tor? Is that not handled by proxychains or similar?
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