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16:55:22 lovetox
can disco#items use rsm?
16:56:00 lovetox
is this its own XEP?
16:56:04 lovetox
if yes i dont find it
16:56:48 lovetox
ah its in 0059 described
16:56:49 flow
lovetox, its underspecified
16:57:23 lovetox
what part exactly flow?
16:57:50 Zash
Hmmmm, there's https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0059.html#examples
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Zash does prosody support that?
16:58:17 Zash
Nope
16:58:29 flow
lovetox, looks like I was wrong. I remebered the interaction with xep30 and xep59 to be underspecified, but that disco#items case (and the example) look straight forward
16:58:57 lovetox
question is how to discover that a server supports rsm on disco items
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because if i send a disco#items to conference.jabber.org with a rsm page size of say 50
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i get ddos with 18000 items
16:59:33 lovetox
because it does not support rsm ^
16:59:35 pep.
lovetox, I think edhelas is interested in disco + rsm
17:00:01 pep.
because apparently (pubsub) comment nodes are also huge
17:00:10 pep.
or something
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17:02:31 flow
lovetox, do you need to discover support for disco#info+rsm?
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please don’t implement disco#items+rsm, I don’t want to (have to do it in the s.j.n code) :D
17:03:13 flow
it appears to me the idea behind xep59 § 3 is that you do it opportunistically
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Wouldn't it be opt-in?
17:03:48 flow
Zash, how could it be not opt-in?
17:03:58 Zash
send <{disco#items}query><{rsm}set/></query>
17:04:11 Zash
as per the example
17:04:19 lovetox
flow yes see my example above
17:04:22 flow
right, I don't think you can do it any other way?
17:04:27 lovetox
otherwise you get DDoS
17:04:27 Zash
so if you don't, either you get everything or a truncated result if the server really doesn't want to send everything
17:04:47 flow
lovetox, but what is your plan b?
17:04:57 flow
first you need to know that the result set is very large
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which you may or may not a priori
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which you may or may not know a priori
17:05:19 lovetox
plan b is not query disco#items
17:05:36 flow
so you tell your users, sorry can't list
17:05:51 lovetox
yes
17:06:00 lovetox
either server advertises it, or i dont display a list
17:06:03 lovetox
that was my idea
17:06:07 flow
I mean I think there no reason that we don't recommend services to announce that they support disco#info+rsm
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(of course we would have a discussion wether or note this announcement is recommended or required)
17:06:46 flow
(of course we would have a discussion whether or note this announcement is recommended or required)
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There's no specific feature or pattern for this already tho?
17:06:57 flow
Zash, pattern?
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flow: eg writing "to announce support for disco+rsm, add <feature var=http:etc/disco#info+rsm}"
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somewhere
17:08:16 flow
Zash, yes that is what I had in mind, and I don't think we have that (yet)
17:08:55 flow
hmm I have a private disco-rsm branch in my xeps/ repo
17:09:05 flow
and I am pretty sure this was discussed before
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flow: or rather, "to announce foo + rsm support, concantenate the feature with "+rsm" and announce that"~
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that'd be a pattern
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ahh yes, but at least for some foo+rsm you'd probably need to clarify in foo's xep how it would interact with rsm
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17:22:05 pep.
fwiw I think this discussion also popped up when I added pubsub#rsm. And I don't know if I did remove the standalone rsm in disco (which doesn't make sense)
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17:52:26 lovetox
it would really be nice if i could query my own servers MUC list in a good way
17:53:17 lovetox
i implement the interface to muclumbus but for mall company servers for example, it would be better to just disco#items
17:54:09 Zash
What if you had the muclumbus xmpp protocol to your local MUC?
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18:13:05 pep.
Do we also need a similar system for say pubsub nodes, etc.
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18:14:02 lovetox
Zash would be fine, though a bit too much for my taste
18:14:40 lovetox
hm Zash, no would be fine
18:14:45 lovetox
lets make a XEP out of it :)
18:15:05 Zash
Like https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0433.html
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18:17:26 lovetox
i wonder why we not just used jabber search
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https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0055.html
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i see not much difference
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or non at all
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except some error are defined
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18:18:43 lovetox
but yeah Zash would be a nice addition in prosody :)
18:18:53 Zash
Does anyone implement this dataform thing: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0055.html#example-9
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18:19:39 lovetox
yes gajim i think
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in the service discovery browser
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<reported>?
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yes
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at least the last time i looked
18:20:40 pep.
lovetox, https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0433.html#design re jabber search
18:20:47 lovetox
i know only one server that has a user directory
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18:31:31 Kev
zash
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(Sorry, silly beta client, again)
Zash: Yes, Swift and M-Link both do the data forms for that, unless I'm going mad.
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18:32:04 Kev
(I can check in the morning for you if you want)
18:35:27 Zash
Kev: But including the <reported> stuff? I don't think I've ever seen that in action. Prosody doesn't support that part.
18:35:45 Kev
Oh. Uhm.
18:36:03 lovetox
Zash, without the reported its invalid
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the fields are encapsulated by <item>
18:36:44 Kev
Looks like Swift understands reported, at a glance.
18:36:45 lovetox
and you only have this in reported data forms
18:36:59 lovetox
thats not jabber search syntax
18:37:04 lovetox
thats XEP0004
18:37:31 Kev
Yep, M-Link also sends reported for xep55 as far as I can see (without doing much research).
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18:47:03 eta
Kev: what beta client is this?
18:47:22 Kev
A heavy rework of Swift we're experimenting with.
18:50:48 eta
ah, nice
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