jdev - 2020-10-08


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  306. lovetox can disco#items use rsm?
  307. lovetox is this its own XEP?
  308. lovetox if yes i dont find it
  309. lovetox ah its in 0059 described
  310. flow lovetox, its underspecified
  311. lovetox what part exactly flow?
  312. Zash Hmmmm, there's https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0059.html#examples
  313. lovetox Zash does prosody support that?
  314. Zash Nope
  315. flow lovetox, looks like I was wrong. I remebered the interaction with xep30 and xep59 to be underspecified, but that disco#items case (and the example) look straight forward
  316. lovetox question is how to discover that a server supports rsm on disco items
  317. lovetox because if i send a disco#items to conference.jabber.org with a rsm page size of say 50
  318. lovetox i get ddos with 18000 items
  319. lovetox because it does not support rsm ^
  320. pep. lovetox, I think edhelas is interested in disco + rsm
  321. pep. because apparently (pubsub) comment nodes are also huge
  322. pep. or something
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  325. flow lovetox, do you need to discover support for disco#info+rsm?
  326. jonas’ please don’t implement disco#items+rsm, I don’t want to (have to do it in the s.j.n code) :D
  327. flow it appears to me the idea behind xep59 § 3 is that you do it opportunistically
  328. Zash Wouldn't it be opt-in?
  329. flow Zash, how could it be not opt-in?
  330. Zash send <{disco#items}query><{rsm}set/></query>
  331. Zash as per the example
  332. lovetox flow yes see my example above
  333. flow right, I don't think you can do it any other way?
  334. lovetox otherwise you get DDoS
  335. Zash so if you don't, either you get everything or a truncated result if the server really doesn't want to send everything
  336. flow lovetox, but what is your plan b?
  337. flow first you need to know that the result set is very large
  338. flow which you may or may not a priori
  339. flow which you may or may not know a priori
  340. lovetox plan b is not query disco#items
  341. flow so you tell your users, sorry can't list
  342. lovetox yes
  343. lovetox either server advertises it, or i dont display a list
  344. lovetox that was my idea
  345. flow I mean I think there no reason that we don't recommend services to announce that they support disco#info+rsm
  346. flow (of course we would have a discussion wether or note this announcement is recommended or required)
  347. flow (of course we would have a discussion whether or note this announcement is recommended or required)
  348. Zash There's no specific feature or pattern for this already tho?
  349. flow Zash, pattern?
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  351. Zash flow: eg writing "to announce support for disco+rsm, add <feature var=http:etc/disco#info+rsm}"
  352. Zash somewhere
  353. flow Zash, yes that is what I had in mind, and I don't think we have that (yet)
  354. flow hmm I have a private disco-rsm branch in my xeps/ repo
  355. flow and I am pretty sure this was discussed before
  356. Zash flow: or rather, "to announce foo + rsm support, concantenate the feature with "+rsm" and announce that"~
  357. Zash that'd be a pattern
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  359. flow ahh yes, but at least for some foo+rsm you'd probably need to clarify in foo's xep how it would interact with rsm
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  372. pep. fwiw I think this discussion also popped up when I added pubsub#rsm. And I don't know if I did remove the standalone rsm in disco (which doesn't make sense)
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  389. lovetox it would really be nice if i could query my own servers MUC list in a good way
  390. lovetox i implement the interface to muclumbus but for mall company servers for example, it would be better to just disco#items
  391. Zash What if you had the muclumbus xmpp protocol to your local MUC?
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  402. pep. Do we also need a similar system for say pubsub nodes, etc.
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  405. lovetox Zash would be fine, though a bit too much for my taste
  406. lovetox hm Zash, no would be fine
  407. lovetox lets make a XEP out of it :)
  408. Zash Like https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0433.html
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  411. lovetox i wonder why we not just used jabber search
  412. lovetox https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0055.html
  413. lovetox i see not much difference
  414. lovetox or non at all
  415. lovetox except some error are defined
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  420. lovetox but yeah Zash would be a nice addition in prosody :)
  421. Zash Does anyone implement this dataform thing: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0055.html#example-9
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  426. lovetox yes gajim i think
  427. lovetox in the service discovery browser
  428. Zash <reported>?
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  430. lovetox yes
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  432. lovetox at least the last time i looked
  433. pep. lovetox, https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0433.html#design re jabber search
  434. lovetox i know only one server that has a user directory
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  454. Kev zash
  455. Kev (Sorry, silly beta client, again) Zash: Yes, Swift and M-Link both do the data forms for that, unless I'm going mad.
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  458. Kev (I can check in the morning for you if you want)
  459. Zash Kev: But including the <reported> stuff? I don't think I've ever seen that in action. Prosody doesn't support that part.
  460. Kev Oh. Uhm.
  461. lovetox Zash, without the reported its invalid
  462. lovetox the fields are encapsulated by <item>
  463. Kev Looks like Swift understands reported, at a glance.
  464. lovetox and you only have this in reported data forms
  465. lovetox thats not jabber search syntax
  466. lovetox thats XEP0004
  467. Kev Yep, M-Link also sends reported for xep55 as far as I can see (without doing much research).
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  470. eta Kev: what beta client is this?
  471. Kev A heavy rework of Swift we're experimenting with.
  472. eta ah, nice
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