jdev - 2020-10-08


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  306. lovetox

    can disco#items use rsm?

  307. lovetox

    is this its own XEP?

  308. lovetox

    if yes i dont find it

  309. lovetox

    ah its in 0059 described

  310. flow

    lovetox, its underspecified

  311. lovetox

    what part exactly flow?

  312. Zash

    Hmmmm, there's https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0059.html#examples

  313. lovetox

    Zash does prosody support that?

  314. Zash

    Nope

  315. flow

    lovetox, looks like I was wrong. I remebered the interaction with xep30 and xep59 to be underspecified, but that disco#items case (and the example) look straight forward

  316. lovetox

    question is how to discover that a server supports rsm on disco items

  317. lovetox

    because if i send a disco#items to conference.jabber.org with a rsm page size of say 50

  318. lovetox

    i get ddos with 18000 items

  319. lovetox

    because it does not support rsm ^

  320. pep.

    lovetox, I think edhelas is interested in disco + rsm

  321. pep.

    because apparently (pubsub) comment nodes are also huge

  322. pep.

    or something

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  325. flow

    lovetox, do you need to discover support for disco#info+rsm?

  326. jonas’

    please don’t implement disco#items+rsm, I don’t want to (have to do it in the s.j.n code) :D

  327. flow

    it appears to me the idea behind xep59 § 3 is that you do it opportunistically

  328. Zash

    Wouldn't it be opt-in?

  329. flow

    Zash, how could it be not opt-in?

  330. Zash

    send <{disco#items}query><{rsm}set/></query>

  331. Zash

    as per the example

  332. lovetox

    flow yes see my example above

  333. flow

    right, I don't think you can do it any other way?

  334. lovetox

    otherwise you get DDoS

  335. Zash

    so if you don't, either you get everything or a truncated result if the server really doesn't want to send everything

  336. flow

    lovetox, but what is your plan b?

  337. flow

    first you need to know that the result set is very large

  338. flow

    which you may or may not a priori

  339. flow

    which you may or may not know a priori

  340. lovetox

    plan b is not query disco#items

  341. flow

    so you tell your users, sorry can't list

  342. lovetox

    yes

  343. lovetox

    either server advertises it, or i dont display a list

  344. lovetox

    that was my idea

  345. flow

    I mean I think there no reason that we don't recommend services to announce that they support disco#info+rsm

  346. flow

    (of course we would have a discussion wether or note this announcement is recommended or required)

  347. flow

    (of course we would have a discussion whether or note this announcement is recommended or required)

  348. Zash

    There's no specific feature or pattern for this already tho?

  349. flow

    Zash, pattern?

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  351. Zash

    flow: eg writing "to announce support for disco+rsm, add <feature var=http:etc/disco#info+rsm}"

  352. Zash

    somewhere

  353. flow

    Zash, yes that is what I had in mind, and I don't think we have that (yet)

  354. flow

    hmm I have a private disco-rsm branch in my xeps/ repo

  355. flow

    and I am pretty sure this was discussed before

  356. Zash

    flow: or rather, "to announce foo + rsm support, concantenate the feature with "+rsm" and announce that"~

  357. Zash

    that'd be a pattern

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  359. flow

    ahh yes, but at least for some foo+rsm you'd probably need to clarify in foo's xep how it would interact with rsm

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  372. pep.

    fwiw I think this discussion also popped up when I added pubsub#rsm. And I don't know if I did remove the standalone rsm in disco (which doesn't make sense)

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  389. lovetox

    it would really be nice if i could query my own servers MUC list in a good way

  390. lovetox

    i implement the interface to muclumbus but for mall company servers for example, it would be better to just disco#items

  391. Zash

    What if you had the muclumbus xmpp protocol to your local MUC?

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  402. pep.

    Do we also need a similar system for say pubsub nodes, etc.

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  405. lovetox

    Zash would be fine, though a bit too much for my taste

  406. lovetox

    hm Zash, no would be fine

  407. lovetox

    lets make a XEP out of it :)

  408. Zash

    Like https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0433.html

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  411. lovetox

    i wonder why we not just used jabber search

  412. lovetox

    https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0055.html

  413. lovetox

    i see not much difference

  414. lovetox

    or non at all

  415. lovetox

    except some error are defined

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  420. lovetox

    but yeah Zash would be a nice addition in prosody :)

  421. Zash

    Does anyone implement this dataform thing: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0055.html#example-9

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  426. lovetox

    yes gajim i think

  427. lovetox

    in the service discovery browser

  428. Zash

    <reported>?

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  430. lovetox

    yes

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  432. lovetox

    at least the last time i looked

  433. pep.

    lovetox, https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0433.html#design re jabber search

  434. lovetox

    i know only one server that has a user directory

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  454. Kev

    zash

  455. Kev

    (Sorry, silly beta client, again) Zash: Yes, Swift and M-Link both do the data forms for that, unless I'm going mad.

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  458. Kev

    (I can check in the morning for you if you want)

  459. Zash

    Kev: But including the <reported> stuff? I don't think I've ever seen that in action. Prosody doesn't support that part.

  460. Kev

    Oh. Uhm.

  461. lovetox

    Zash, without the reported its invalid

  462. lovetox

    the fields are encapsulated by <item>

  463. Kev

    Looks like Swift understands reported, at a glance.

  464. lovetox

    and you only have this in reported data forms

  465. lovetox

    thats not jabber search syntax

  466. lovetox

    thats XEP0004

  467. Kev

    Yep, M-Link also sends reported for xep55 as far as I can see (without doing much research).

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  470. eta

    Kev: what beta client is this?

  471. Kev

    A heavy rework of Swift we're experimenting with.

  472. eta

    ah, nice

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