jdev - 2020-11-24


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  127. sonny hi there - what's the latest/greatest work on file sending with metadata? https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0385.html ?
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  129. sonny (interop is not of concern ATM)
  130. jonas’ sonny, the File Metadata ProtoXEPs currently in the pipeline
  131. jonas’ wait until tomorrow for them to get numbers
  132. jonas’ (though there is a chance > 0 that one of them is vetoed)
  133. jonas’ see https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/file-metadata.html for a preview
  134. Ge0rG damn, I need to do something about them.
  135. jonas’ Ge0rG, yes you do
  136. jonas’ please don’t let those expire, either
  137. Zash A/B XEPs yeeeeeee
  138. jonas’ sonny, s/tomorrow/today/, we’re on tuesday alreay
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  140. sonny thanks - I don't understand the premise of that XEP - it removes a dependency to add a new one (and fragmention) while still relying on said removed dependency for thumbnails
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  142. sonny I'll go with 0385 for now and see if I can contribute my thoughts to the list
  143. jonas’ sonny, huh?
  144. jonas’ it does not depend on jingle for thumbnails
  145. jonas’ and '385 does more than just file sending, it also does markup
  146. sonny > A thumbnail element of the file, using the <thumbnail/> element defined in File Transfer Thumbnails (XEP-0264)
  147. sonny https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0264.html
  148. jonas’ I do not see '264 depending on jingle.
  149. sonny my point is that it shows that depending on an external XEP isn't an issue - so I don't understand the premise of the XEP
  150. jonas’ oh, it was about which specific XEPs to depend on
  151. sonny if the issue is that Jingle is too big why not taking what's there and splitting
  152. sonny without breaking changes / fragmentation
  153. jonas’ it’s not possible to do it without breaking changes as it’s in jingle’s namespace
  154. jonas’ the entire point is to remove it from jingle’s namespace
  155. jonas’ to avoid tying it in with jingfle
  156. sonny ok I think the problem is that I don't understand how using a subset of the Jingle namespace may be problematic ?
  157. jonas’ when jingle gets updated, an entire mess starts
  158. jonas’ the jingle namespace changes
  159. jonas’ soo ... what now? do we leave the namespace of <file/> on the old "version", creating confusion? do we bump it, rendering the element invisible to everyone and causing massive breakage? do we bump it in jingle itself, but not for the use in '385?
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  162. sonny splitting would prevent those issues from arising - XEPs have been split before
  163. jonas’ no
  164. jonas’ it is still in jingles namespace
  165. jonas’ which would then be the confusion part
  166. jonas’ or we move it into a different namespace -> exactly what file-metadata.html does
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  168. flow I am not sure how splitting would help here. the problem with the namespace would still exists. I guess the lesson here is that namespace should be minimally scoped
  169. jonas’ that
  170. sonny file-metadata isn't a 1:1 with jingle so no
  171. flow whatever "namespaces should be minimally scoped" means in practice, there is probably a to fine-grained variant too
  172. sonny ok so the problem is sharing namespace between xeps?
  173. jonas’ sonny, that is part of the problem
  174. jonas’ flow, most certainly there is
  175. flow otoh I we hardly blame people that the <file/> element was designed under the jingle namespace: back then, it was probably not foreseable that other means of file transport would emerge
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  177. flow otoh I can hardly blame people that the <file/> element was designed under the jingle namespace: back then, it was probably not foreseable that other means of file transport would emerge
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  180. sonny how would you send File metadata element in a chat message? using reference type=data as well?
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  182. jonas’ sonny, https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sfs.html
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  184. sonny thank you
  185. jonas’ with encryption: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/esfs.html
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  318. jonas’ sonny, file-metadata has been assigned XEP-0446 FYI
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