jdev - 2020-11-25

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  105. Creator Why I Am Here?
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  194. Sam Whited Library maintainers: if the user of your library doesn't set an ID on message and/or presence stanzas where it's not required, do you do it for them even though technically the spec doesn't require it?
  195. Sam Whited Or can you think of any reason (other than syscalls for randomness being somewhat expensive) not to? Eg. is there some common use case where the user would *want* to send an empty ID?
  196. flow configurable, defaults to no
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  199. Sam Whited flow: is that something an existing library does, or just a suggestion? I'd be curious to see what other actual libraries are doing too
  200. flow depending on the version, smack
  201. Sam Whited ah cool, thanks
  202. flow I also don't think there is a reason get randomness via syscall for every stanza id, there should be secure enough user-space rng's that if seeded correctly are good enough
  203. flow but strictly speaking, that is also configurable in smack, i.e. a user could configure smack to use the randomness source of his wishing for stanza id generation
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  206. flow I think there might be an argument for id-less stanzas for certain systems, i.e. where every byte on the wire that can be safed should be safed
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  208. jonas’ https://github.com/horazont/aioxmpp/blob/devel/aioxmpp/stream.py#L2058 I don’t discriminate
  209. Sam Whited That's fair
  210. Sam Whited thanks jonas’
  211. jonas’ if no ID is set, a random one will be generated. sending ID-less stanzas is just a recipe for pain once you start any type of tracking and I don’t want users to have to bother with that.
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  222. Link Mauve Sam Whited, setting a @id is a SHOULD in the RFC though.
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  224. Link Mauve (And a MUST on iq of course.)
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  227. Sam Whited Link Mauve: I think that's just for stream start, not stanzas, right? I just read through the stanza semantics section again and didn't see that
  228. Sam Whited oh, it's in the section specifically about the ID attribute (8.1.3) where it's a RECOMMENDED. Fair enough.
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  230. Link Mauve Right.
  231. Sam Whited Cool, no need to overthink it anymore then, I'm just going to do that. Thanks for pointing that out!
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  235. Ge0rG The really nasty evil thing you should NEVER EVER do is to set an @id on *received* packets.
  236. Ge0rG s/packets/stanzas
  237. Sam Whited Yes, I can see how that would lead to confusion :)
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  240. Zash I've seen issues when certain things reused the @id for replies to message stanzas.
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  254. No one is here... I think Hi guys 🙂
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  256. Sam Whited o/
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  328. edhelas do you guys know if there's support of ephemeral messages in some XMPP clients ?
  329. edhelas https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/ephemeral-messages.html
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