jdev - 2020-12-06

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  48. jonas’ also: https://up-for-grabs.net/#/filters?tags=xmpp
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  61. jubalh > I want to involve in this organization. Is there any open project to contribute to? Check out profanity;)
  62. jonas’ (they’re gone already, I just wanted to mention up-for-grabs)
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  129. Sam Whited Possibly stupid question about data forms: does the order of the title and instruction fields matter? All the examples put them at the top, and obviously the order of actual fields matters, but can you have a title or instructions anywhere in the form or are they just always at the top?
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  140. Zash Probably not, tho I guess internal order fo multiple <instructions> might affect how the form gets presented. I'd actually worry more about multiple <instructions>, don't remember seeing that being allowed before.
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  217. lovetox Sam Whited, no
  218. lovetox if your question is if you can use it to describe fields
  219. lovetox The OPTIONAL <title/> and <instructions/> elements enable the form-processing entity to label the form as a whole ..
  220. lovetox this sentence implies for me instruction and title is for a form, and not for fields
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  223. lovetox so yes you can put the instruction somewhere between fields, but its still a instruction for the form and not for the filed
  224. lovetox and clients have a special place where the put the form instruction in the GUI
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  227. Zash <field>s have a <desc> tag for long-form field description
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  230. Zash There's <field type=fixed> for "headings" within the form
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  238. Sam Whited Sounds good to me, thanks.
  239. Sam Whited I'm not sure how the spec means it to be, but as long as no one else is allowing instructions to be scattered around the form.
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  242. lovetox you can scatter them, but i can only talk for Gajim, you cant control with that where i display them
  243. lovetox its for the form, and i place them at the top no matter where you scatter them
  244. lovetox and yes the correct way is type=fixed
  245. lovetox you can see that work in prosodys MUC Config form
  246. lovetox and Gajim
  247. Zash Is anyone actually using multiple <instructions> anywhere?
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  250. lovetox https://share.hoerist.com/philipp/p0GPfFzBgUo7VSic/Screenshot_from_2020-12-06_20-14-33.png
  251. lovetox ^ Sam Whited
  252. Zash That looks familiar. i3? :)
  253. lovetox yes
  254. Zash ^5
  255. lovetox btw Zash, look at the Persistent option
  256. lovetox i think its not good to put a description into the label
  257. lovetox you have a long desc anyway, Gajim shows it in the tooltip
  258. Zash Mmmm
  259. Zash Lots of "for/in the room" that might be considered redundant
  260. lovetox and i should think about if tooltip is really good, its not easy to discover
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  263. lovetox yeah the word room is mentioned a lot
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  266. Zash The concept of "persistence", especially as a boolean, is a bit weird and I'd like to replace it ... one day
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  271. lovetox The form instruction is here is also a bit redundant
  272. lovetox submit this form, yeah no shit
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  275. Zash Hahaha
  276. Zash https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0004.html#protocol says <instructions> shouldn't contain newlines, but https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#example-158 has a whole pile of them
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  279. lovetox totally redundant again
  280. lovetox it lists the full default configuration
  281. lovetox in the form that shows you the default configuration
  282. lovetox makes sense
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  285. Zash Been that way since 2013, before that instructions was identical to title
  286. Zash 🤷️
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