jdev - 2020-12-06

also: https://up-for-grabs.net/#/filters?tags=xmpp

> I want to involve in this organization. Is there any open project to contribute to? Check out profanity;)

(they’re gone already, I just wanted to mention up-for-grabs)

Possibly stupid question about data forms: does the order of the title and instruction fields matter? All the examples put them at the top, and obviously the order of actual fields matters, but can you have a title or instructions anywhere in the form or are they just always at the top?

Probably not, tho I guess internal order fo multiple <instructions> might affect how the form gets presented. I'd actually worry more about multiple <instructions>, don't remember seeing that being allowed before.

Sam Whited, no

if your question is if you can use it to describe fields

The OPTIONAL <title/> and <instructions/> elements enable the form-processing entity to label the form as a whole ..

this sentence implies for me instruction and title is for a form, and not for fields

so yes you can put the instruction somewhere between fields, but its still a instruction for the form and not for the filed

and clients have a special place where the put the form instruction in the GUI

<field>s have a <desc> tag for long-form field description

There's <field type=fixed> for "headings" within the form

Sounds good to me, thanks.

I'm not sure how the spec means it to be, but as long as no one else is allowing instructions to be scattered around the form.

you can scatter them, but i can only talk for Gajim, you cant control with that where i display them

its for the form, and i place them at the top no matter where you scatter them

and yes the correct way is type=fixed

you can see that work in prosodys MUC Config form

and Gajim

Is anyone actually using multiple <instructions> anywhere?

https://share.hoerist.com/philipp/p0GPfFzBgUo7VSic/Screenshot_from_2020-12-06_20-14-33.png

^ Sam Whited

That looks familiar. i3? :)

yes

^5

btw Zash, look at the Persistent option

i think its not good to put a description into the label

you have a long desc anyway, Gajim shows it in the tooltip

Mmmm

Lots of "for/in the room" that might be considered redundant

and i should think about if tooltip is really good, its not easy to discover

yeah the word room is mentioned a lot

The concept of "persistence", especially as a boolean, is a bit weird and I'd like to replace it ... one day

The form instruction is here is also a bit redundant

submit this form, yeah no shit

Hahaha

https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0004.html#protocol says <instructions> shouldn't contain newlines, but https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#example-158 has a whole pile of them

totally redundant again

it lists the full default configuration

in the form that shows you the default configuration

makes sense

Been that way since 2013, before that instructions was identical to title

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