jdev - 2020-12-29

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  260. Sam Whited

    Are there any scriptable clients that are pretty widely included in distros? Looking for something to run with some integration tests, but trying to avoid installing Perl on the build VM (and sendxmpp is the only thing I know of)

  261. Sam Whited

    Not "scriptable", just something I can call from the command line, have it log in, and have it try to send a message without jumping through hoops and writing config files.

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  263. Zash

    Jp from Salut à Toi mayhaps?

  264. moparisthebest

    Sam Whited, probably not widely included in distros, but what about the python or rust sendxmpp ?

  265. Sam Whited

    looking at those; thanks.

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  267. Zash

    I guess you're not looking for GUI/TUI clients? I believe some have some remote control features via dbus.

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  270. Martin

    Sam Whited: Afaik MCabber has script support. Holger?

  271. Zash

    Where does the line between scriptable client and library go anyways? :)

  272. Sam Whited

    Zash: I hadn't thought about it. It would probably be good to avoid that just to avoid having to install tons of extra stuff on the build server, pull in dependencies for dealing with dbus, etc. but it's not off the table.

  273. Sam Whited

    I'm just struggling to come up with a good way to do integration testing against some server code and make sure that another client can actually log in

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  275. Martin

    Couldn't you simply do something go-sendxmpp like with your mellium lib and drop the binary?

  276. Zash

    I guess scansion isn't in all that many distros yet?

  277. Sam Whited

    Martin: the point is to test other things. If I wrote the client code and the server code I might have misunderstood the spec and my implementations work together but nothing else works with them

  278. Zash

    Tho it's not quite that

  279. Sam Whited

    I hadn't seen scansion before; looks nice

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  282. Zash

    It would be pretty cool to start a bunch of GUI clients and have the CI interact with them.... don't you agree MattJ? ;)

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  300. david

    Hi, i dont know if I am in the right chatroom, if I'm not, sorry. What is the link of that site that gives a phone number to xmpp accounts?

  301. Link Mauve

    david, JMP.chat?

  302. david

    Yes, I think that's it

  303. david


  304. Link Mauve

    You’re welcome. :)

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  309. ds9

    Hi, I am VERY new to XMPP, I am struggling to use it, but am VERY confused on how XMPP works.  I'm not sure this is the correct place for my questions, perhaps someone can tell me where I should be sending these questions to.  I had contacted info@XMMP.org with these questions, that person assured me that this chat room for XMPP developers is the correct place to submit my questions. I will include my questions here so you will know what kinds of things I'm confused about.  Thanks for your help.  My questions:  I'm trying to use XMPP for my messaging on my android device (Conversations), on my desktop computer (Dino), and in a web browser (Movim), depending on the situation I find myself in.  My assumption is that all contacts and messages in all conversations will be synchronized across all those clients and devices, so in all clients on all devices I'll see the same contacts and complete conversations, no matter which client and device was originally used to send or receive a particular message or to set up a contact.  (Is my assumption incorrect?)  1. Are all the contacts and messages in my conversations stored on the server that my XMPP account was created on?   2. If the answer to #1 is "Yes", how long do they exist on that server?  3. If the answer to #1 is "Yes", how do I permanently delete contacts on the server?  How do I permanently delete selected messages within a single conversation from the server?  4. Using a web browser tool like Movim, if I add or delete a contact, are those changes then reflected on the server?   5. Using a web browser tool like Movim, it lets me "retract" a message.  Is that the same as deleting that message on the server?  6. If I use a desktop tool like Dino, do the contacts and conversations it shows exist on the desktop computer's hard drive in addition to existing on the server?  7. Using a desktop tool like Dino, if I delete a contact, is that contact and the associated conversation deleted from the server?  8. Using a desktop tool like Dino, if I delete a contact, is that contact and the associated conversation deleted from the desktop computer's hard drive, or merely no longer displayed in the application?  9. If I use an android app like Conversations, do the contacts and conversations it shows exist on the android device in addition to existing on the server?  10. If I use an android app like Conversations, if I delete a contact and/or a conversation, are that contact and the associated conversation deleted from the server? 11. If I use an android app like Conversations, if I delete a contact and/or a conversation, are that contact and the associated conversation deleted from the android device, or merely no longer displayed in the app?  12. Basically, I'm trying to understand all the places my contacts and messages exist (server, desktop, android); how I can permanently delete them when I want to (which clients will accomplish that), and what kind of synchronization I can expect when I make a change on one device and its client with all other devices and clients and the server.  13. The terminology is also confusing and not explained:  Movim talks about "retracting" messages; Conversations talks about "clearing messages"; are those doing the same thing?  Are they deleting messages or something else?

  310. Link Mauve

    ds9, contacts are stored on the server, no matter which client you use to add, change or remove a contact, this should reflect in every other client you’re using instantly.

  311. Link Mauve

    As for messages, it depends on your server’s configuration.

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  313. Link Mauve

    Note that deleting a message after it’s been sent is a pipe dream ourside of a controller environment, if your contact or a server received the message they can make a backup of it, or plain refuse to remove it.

  314. Link Mauve

    Note that deleting a message after it’s been sent is a pipe dream ourside of a controlled environment, if your contact or a server received the message they can make a backup of it, or plain refuse to remove it.

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  316. Link Mauve

    This is true of any system.

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  318. lovetox

    ds9, most of your questions are client specific

  319. lovetox

    means you have to ask the developers how they implemented this

  320. lovetox

    if a client stores something on the hard drive or not, depends on the developer of the client

  321. lovetox

    has nothing to do in general with xmpp

  322. lovetox

    but in general you can say, contacts are stored on the server, and are synchronised to all clients, so if you delete a contact it will be removed everywhere

  323. lovetox

    this does not mean the messages and conversations of that contact are removed

  324. lovetox

    at the moment almost no client gives you any way to remove a message from the server

  325. lovetox

    so if you dont control the server, you have no way of deleting messages, other than contacting the admin

  326. Zash

    how long messages are stored on the server depends on server configuration

  327. lovetox

    of course almost all clients give you the choice to remove messages from your own harddrive

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  329. Zash

    whether to honor a rectraction request and actually delete messages on the server is also up to the server, but this feature is new and probably not widely implemented yet

  330. lovetox

    and its not suited for retracting whole conversations

  331. lovetox

    its meant for single messages

  332. lovetox

    about the terminology

  333. lovetox

    Retracting means, the client sends a request to the server an contact to delete the message

  334. lovetox

    if this request is honored is out of your control

  335. lovetox

    Clearing Messages, you have to ask the C developer

  336. lovetox

    but i guess it means to delete messages from your phone

  337. lovetox

    there is no standard or method to delete messages from a server

  338. lovetox

    so assume all other terminology always means, delete from your harddrive

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  340. Martin

    lovetox: OT: Borderlands?

  341. ds9

    Link Mauve, lovetox, and Zash, thank you all very much for the assistance. This helps me to better understand what is going on.

  342. lovetox

    iam not understanding the question Martin

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  344. Martin

    The robot in your avatar looks like the robot from that game. 😃

  345. Martin

    Or is it an r2d2?

  346. wurstsalat

    Martin: that's definitively not Claptrap

  347. lovetox

    its r2d2

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  353. wurstsalat

    But it has some nice cell-shading

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