jdev - 2021-01-25

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  143. jubalh not sure whether this is the right channel. bust stumbled upon this this morning when subscribing to gnome reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/l4ku3r/gnome_and_matrix/
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  145. jubalh https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/l4ku3r/gnome_and_matrix/gkp29px sounds like they have an quite outdated idea about XMPP
  146. jonas’ as everyone has
  147. jubalh Recently talked with some CCC people and was surprised that it is also true for them
  148. jonas’ I’m not
  149. jonas’ we don’t have any marketing going on
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  153. Ge0rG Yeah, everybody associates XMPP with Pidgin and Adium, code bases from a decade ago.
  154. Ge0rG And the lack of all the useful modern features like HTTP Upload, Carbons (WTF man!) and MAM
  155. mathieui made a passive-agressive response without insults
  156. jonas’ s/, code bases/, multi-protocol code bases/
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  160. jubalh has there ever been written in that regard? to correct that wrong impression? I would like to send it to my CCC friends
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  162. jonas’ > we don’t have any marketing going on
  163. jonas’ jubalh, but maybe you could link the reply by mathieui in that thread
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  167. Ge0rG also writing something on whatever personal venue you have and link to that :D
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  169. mathieui also on that thread it might be useful to comment with the telepathy/empathy history, but I don’t have a good view on that
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  308. lovetox so how to detect if a jid is a contact or a muc
  309. lovetox seems complicated
  310. lovetox specially with servers like dino where its not even hosted on a subdomain
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  312. lovetox i could only treat jids as muc that have a successful disco info
  313. lovetox and everything else must be a contact?
  314. lovetox depends probably on the error i get back
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  339. pep. chat@dino.im properly sends a MUC identity, nothing special about it
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  341. pep. Unless you were planning to differentiate based on the form of the JID which is certainly meh :x
  342. lovetox of course it does
  343. lovetox but what if you query something that does not exist
  344. lovetox if i query only the domain and its a muc service only
  345. lovetox i know the jid is a groupchat, one that does not yet exist
  346. lovetox or was deleted maybe
  347. lovetox i cant do this on dino.im
  348. lovetox it could also be a user
  349. lovetox which normally also yields a disco info error if the user is not in your roster
  350. lovetox its a bit weird that in xmpp there is no way to determine if a jid is actually a account
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  354. lovetox you need to disco something, and if it yields errors, its like "Ok an error, lets ignore that and treat it like its a user"
  355. Zash item-not-found might point to MUC
  356. Zash disco#info on the hostpart could provide hints too
  357. Sam Whited Oh boy, any time someone says "hints" instead of "you do a simple query or look at the format of something and instantly know without a doubt" I get nervous.
  358. Zash Yes, it's a mess, partly because we try to make it hard tell if users exist or not
  359. lovetox i would say only because of that
  360. lovetox and im really not sure its worth it
  361. Sam Whited Oh? I've never heard that and didn't realize that was a reason for not having an "are you a MUC?" query
  362. Zash I forget if chat@dino.im is illegal or not
  363. Sam Whited That doesn't make sense to me
  364. Zash Sam Whited, if that's the question then it's easy.
  365. Zash disco#info and look for the muc feature
  366. lovetox disco info is the are you a muc query
  367. Sam Whited I thought that was the question?
  368. Zash disco#info non-existant@someserver. you get an error. what kind of entitiy is it?
  369. lovetox yeah it was, that mean everything that is not a muc, is a user
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  371. lovetox at least in xmpp you have to treat it that way
  372. Sam Whited Ah right, that part still seems like a problem.
  373. lovetox A User Zash, everything that does not answer with its identity is a user
  374. lovetox at least i think thats the best way
  375. pep. lovetox, “everything that is not a muc, is a user” except when we start putting other things in the roster? :P
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  386. Zash Ge0rG: https://keep.imfreedom.org/pidgin/pidgin/rev/e32ab786a04f > And the lack of all the useful modern features like HTTP Upload, Carbons (WTF man!) and MAM
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