jdev - 2021-01-25

not sure whether this is the right channel. bust stumbled upon this this morning when subscribing to gnome reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/l4ku3r/gnome_and_matrix/

https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/l4ku3r/gnome_and_matrix/gkp29px sounds like they have an quite outdated idea about XMPP

as everyone has

Recently talked with some CCC people and was surprised that it is also true for them

I’m not

we don’t have any marketing going on

Yeah, everybody associates XMPP with Pidgin and Adium, code bases from a decade ago.

And the lack of all the useful modern features like HTTP Upload, Carbons (WTF man!) and MAM

s/, code bases/, multi-protocol code bases/

has there ever been written in that regard? to correct that wrong impression? I would like to send it to my CCC friends

> we don’t have any marketing going on

jubalh, but maybe you could link the reply by mathieui in that thread

also writing something on whatever personal venue you have and link to that :D

also on that thread it might be useful to comment with the telepathy/empathy history, but I don’t have a good view on that

so how to detect if a jid is a contact or a muc

seems complicated

specially with servers like dino where its not even hosted on a subdomain

i could only treat jids as muc that have a successful disco info

and everything else must be a contact?

depends probably on the error i get back

chat@dino.im properly sends a MUC identity, nothing special about it

Unless you were planning to differentiate based on the form of the JID which is certainly meh :x

of course it does

but what if you query something that does not exist

if i query only the domain and its a muc service only

i know the jid is a groupchat, one that does not yet exist

or was deleted maybe

i cant do this on dino.im

it could also be a user

which normally also yields a disco info error if the user is not in your roster

its a bit weird that in xmpp there is no way to determine if a jid is actually a account

you need to disco something, and if it yields errors, its like "Ok an error, lets ignore that and treat it like its a user"

item-not-found might point to MUC

disco#info on the hostpart could provide hints too

Oh boy, any time someone says "hints" instead of "you do a simple query or look at the format of something and instantly know without a doubt" I get nervous.

Yes, it's a mess, partly because we try to make it hard tell if users exist or not

i would say only because of that

and im really not sure its worth it

Oh? I've never heard that and didn't realize that was a reason for not having an "are you a MUC?" query

I forget if chat@dino.im is illegal or not

That doesn't make sense to me

Sam Whited, if that's the question then it's easy.

disco#info and look for the muc feature

disco info is the are you a muc query

I thought that was the question?

disco#info non-existant@someserver. you get an error. what kind of entitiy is it?

yeah it was, that mean everything that is not a muc, is a user

at least in xmpp you have to treat it that way

Ah right, that part still seems like a problem.

A User Zash, everything that does not answer with its identity is a user

at least i think thats the best way

lovetox, “everything that is not a muc, is a user” except when we start putting other things in the roster? :P

Ge0rG: https://keep.imfreedom.org/pidgin/pidgin/rev/e32ab786a04f > And the lack of all the useful modern features like HTTP Upload, Carbons (WTF man!) and MAM