jubalhnot sure whether this is the right channel. bust stumbled upon this this morning when subscribing to gnome reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/l4ku3r/gnome_and_matrix/
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jubalhhttps://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/l4ku3r/gnome_and_matrix/gkp29px sounds like they have an quite outdated idea about XMPP
jonas’as everyone has
jubalhRecently talked with some CCC people and was surprised that it is also true for them
jonas’I’m not
jonas’we don’t have any marketing going on
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Ge0rGYeah, everybody associates XMPP with Pidgin and Adium, code bases from a decade ago.
Ge0rGAnd the lack of all the useful modern features like HTTP Upload, Carbons (WTF man!) and MAM
mathieuimade a passive-agressive response without insults
jonas’s/, code bases/, multi-protocol code bases/
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jubalhhas there ever been written in that regard? to correct that wrong impression? I would like to send it to my CCC friends
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jonas’> we don’t have any marketing going on
jonas’jubalh, but maybe you could link the reply by mathieui in that thread
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Ge0rGalso writing something on whatever personal venue you have and link to that :D
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mathieuialso on that thread it might be useful to comment with the telepathy/empathy history, but I don’t have a good view on that
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lovetoxso how to detect if a jid is a contact or a muc
lovetoxseems complicated
lovetoxspecially with servers like dino where its not even hosted on a subdomain
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lovetoxi could only treat jids as muc that have a successful disco info
lovetoxand everything else must be a contact?
lovetoxdepends probably on the error i get back
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pep.chat@dino.im properly sends a MUC identity, nothing special about it
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pep.Unless you were planning to differentiate based on the form of the JID which is certainly meh :x
lovetoxof course it does
lovetoxbut what if you query something that does not exist
lovetoxif i query only the domain and its a muc service only
lovetoxi know the jid is a groupchat, one that does not yet exist
lovetoxor was deleted maybe
lovetoxi cant do this on dino.im
lovetoxit could also be a user
lovetoxwhich normally also yields a disco info error if the user is not in your roster
lovetoxits a bit weird that in xmpp there is no way to determine if a jid is actually a account
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lovetoxyou need to disco something, and if it yields errors, its like "Ok an error, lets ignore that and treat it like its a user"
Zashitem-not-found might point to MUC
Zashdisco#info on the hostpart could provide hints too
Sam WhitedOh boy, any time someone says "hints" instead of "you do a simple query or look at the format of something and instantly know without a doubt" I get nervous.
ZashYes, it's a mess, partly because we try to make it hard tell if users exist or not
lovetoxi would say only because of that
lovetoxand im really not sure its worth it
Sam WhitedOh? I've never heard that and didn't realize that was a reason for not having an "are you a MUC?" query
ZashI forget if chat@dino.im is illegal or not
Sam WhitedThat doesn't make sense to me
ZashSam Whited, if that's the question then it's easy.
Zashdisco#info and look for the muc feature
lovetoxdisco info is the are you a muc query
Sam WhitedI thought that was the question?
Zashdisco#info non-existant@someserver. you get an error. what kind of entitiy is it?
lovetoxyeah it was, that mean everything that is not a muc, is a user
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lovetoxat least in xmpp you have to treat it that way
Sam WhitedAh right, that part still seems like a problem.
lovetoxA User Zash, everything that does not answer with its identity is a user
lovetoxat least i think thats the best way
pep.lovetox, “everything that is not a muc, is a user” except when we start putting other things in the roster? :P
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ZashGe0rG: https://keep.imfreedom.org/pidgin/pidgin/rev/e32ab786a04f
> And the lack of all the useful modern features like HTTP Upload, Carbons (WTF man!) and MAM