-
jubalh
I assume no server supports xep-0452 yet?
-
Zash
There's a plugin for Prosody
-
jubalh
Will check it out, thanks
-
mathieui
Oh, 452 has been announced yesterday but is not on the website list yet
-
jonas’
someone needs to kick the website build
-
Zash
Kick it you say?
-
Martin
Does any client support XEP-0372 references yet?
-
jonas’
converse may
-
Martin
Makes sense, as the prosody module for muc mention notifications is written by jcbrand.
-
mathieui
is there bikeshedding left on references or has that ended?
-
jonas’
I still don’t think that how it maps everything to a URI is a wise move
-
Kev
Possibly not. It’s not immediately clear what would be better, though.
-
jonas’
I made a proposal back then
-
jonas’
it was mostly lost in another iteration of the character counting bikeshed though: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2018-March/034559.html
-
Kev
I’m not opposed to such a thing. I do think it would be nicer to be able to URI All The Thing.
-
Kev
I accept pragmatism may come before that.
-
Zash
Mmmmmmmm `<message to='xmpp:user@example.net'/>`
-
Sam Whited
It's not a fucking bike shed. The stupid way in which you're counting characters is entirely screwing me over while it's trivial to do it the other way
-
jonas’
Sam Whited, your stupid way of character counting would be entirely screwing me over, while it’s trivial the other way!!! (for me)
-
Sam Whited
It's not, I implemented it in python and Go both ways.
-
Sam Whited
But you constantly ignore my examples while demanding that I produce more examples and never producing any of your own. I'm sick of this community wielding the burden of proof as a weapon.
-
Sam Whited
(I don't mean "you" personally, I don't remember who all in that massive thread it was, FWIW)
-
Sam Whited
Anyways, done now, I don't know why I bother. We do all the same mistakes over and over again and just insist that it's fine.
-
Zash
I don't like the tone here.
-
Sam Whited
Yah, sorry, I need to leave this channel. Between this and DOAP I'm fucking furious and that's not okay in a public place, sorry.
-
jonas’
sorry, I was trying to be ironic
-
jonas’
(symbolised by a lot of `!`)
-
stpeter
hmm
-
pep.
I'm happy I haven't been following standards threads lately
-
flow
irony often doesn't work in text chats. it appears that counting codepoints is a middle ground and has consensus. I am still not convinced that counting grapheme clusters is necessarily wrong, since there is a least one programming language with build in support for this.
-
jonas’
> irony often doesn't work in text chats. let’s bikeshed a protocol for that </i>
-
pep.
I'd use <p> for Poe, and insides include things like <i> for irony, <s> for sarcasm, etc. This way we could get to things like <p><s><i>Are you sure?</s></i></p>
-
flow
but since sometimes (often?) len_codepoints(input) == len_grapheme_clusters(input), I can settle with codepoints (or "starting" with codepoints ;))
-
Zash
XEP-0014
-
flow
seems like the bikeshed was already done
-
pep.
Zash, ITYM 007^W^Wnvm :-°
-
jonas’
Rejected though, flow
-
flow
pep., the key is to stay calm
-
flow
which is actually a good advice in any situation
-
flow
(even though, it is sometimes not easy)
-
flow
but getting emotional in a discussion is typically counter productive
-
Kev
flow: Fuck that. ;)
-
Zash
I miss Summit
-
jonas’
yes.
-
jonas’
Summit would’ve been great, especially after this straining year
-
Zash
Much too easy to get upset at a bunch of text on a screen than AFK faces.
-
Kev
I'm hoping someone's going to announce a remote summit, but I don't have the cycles to put into arranging one, so I'm not making noise about it.
-
Kev
Oh, I guess it would have been tomorrow and Friday if it was happening wouldn't it. Nevermind :)
-
flow
Kev, yep, sometimes that is tempting to write…
- flow misses summit too
-
Zash
Kev, why yes, the bystander effect working group will take care of it!
-
flow
I'd really like to hear some short presentations from every active xmpp project about what they are currently doing and did in the last eyar
-
Kev
Well, Summit's usually a Board-led thing, not just 'someone' :)
-
jonas’
SCAM I thought?
-
Kev
It's been Board in the past.
-
Kev
Maybe they've delegated to SCAM (but if they delegated, it's still a Board thing).
-
pep.
I feel that lately board has just been a routing utility to working groups
-
Zash
That's a valid thing for a board to do.
-
Kev
pep.: I think that's fine. Board doesn't have to do work, just set direction and ensure that work is done.
-
flow
well if there is a SCAM team, then it appears sensible to delgate it to them, no?
-
Zash
flow, but *is there* a SCAM team?
-
flow
good question