jdev - 2021-01-27

  1. jubalh

    I assume no server supports xep-0452 yet?

  2. Zash

    There's a plugin for Prosody

  3. jubalh

    Will check it out, thanks

  4. mathieui

    Oh, 452 has been announced yesterday but is not on the website list yet

  5. jonas’

    someone needs to kick the website build

  6. Zash

    Kick it you say?

  7. Martin

    Does any client support XEP-0372 references yet?

  8. jonas’

    converse may

  9. Martin

    Makes sense, as the prosody module for muc mention notifications is written by jcbrand.

  10. mathieui

    is there bikeshedding left on references or has that ended?

  11. jonas’

    I still don’t think that how it maps everything to a URI is a wise move

  12. Kev

    Possibly not. It’s not immediately clear what would be better, though.

  13. jonas’

    I made a proposal back then

  14. jonas’

    it was mostly lost in another iteration of the character counting bikeshed though: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2018-March/034559.html

  15. Kev

    I’m not opposed to such a thing. I do think it would be nicer to be able to URI All The Thing.

  16. Kev

    I accept pragmatism may come before that.

  17. Zash

    Mmmmmmmm `<message to='xmpp:user@example.net'/>`

  18. Sam Whited

    It's not a fucking bike shed. The stupid way in which you're counting characters is entirely screwing me over while it's trivial to do it the other way

  19. jonas’

    Sam Whited, your stupid way of character counting would be entirely screwing me over, while it’s trivial the other way!!! (for me)

  20. Sam Whited

    It's not, I implemented it in python and Go both ways.

  21. Sam Whited

    But you constantly ignore my examples while demanding that I produce more examples and never producing any of your own. I'm sick of this community wielding the burden of proof as a weapon.

  22. Sam Whited

    (I don't mean "you" personally, I don't remember who all in that massive thread it was, FWIW)

  23. Sam Whited

    Anyways, done now, I don't know why I bother. We do all the same mistakes over and over again and just insist that it's fine.

  24. Zash

    I don't like the tone here.

  25. Sam Whited

    Yah, sorry, I need to leave this channel. Between this and DOAP I'm fucking furious and that's not okay in a public place, sorry.

  26. jonas’

    sorry, I was trying to be ironic

  27. jonas’

    (symbolised by a lot of `!`)

  28. stpeter


  29. pep.

    I'm happy I haven't been following standards threads lately

  30. flow

    irony often doesn't work in text chats. it appears that counting codepoints is a middle ground and has consensus. I am still not convinced that counting grapheme clusters is necessarily wrong, since there is a least one programming language with build in support for this.

  31. jonas’

    > irony often doesn't work in text chats. let’s bikeshed a protocol for that </i>

  32. pep.

    I'd use <p> for Poe, and insides include things like <i> for irony, <s> for sarcasm, etc. This way we could get to things like <p><s><i>Are you sure?</s></i></p>

  33. flow

    but since sometimes (often?) len_codepoints(input) == len_grapheme_clusters(input), I can settle with codepoints (or "starting" with codepoints ;))

  34. Zash


  35. flow

    seems like the bikeshed was already done

  36. pep.

    Zash, ITYM 007^W^Wnvm :-°

  37. jonas’

    Rejected though, flow

  38. flow

    pep., the key is to stay calm

  39. flow

    which is actually a good advice in any situation

  40. flow

    (even though, it is sometimes not easy)

  41. flow

    but getting emotional in a discussion is typically counter productive

  42. Kev

    flow: Fuck that. ;)

  43. Zash

    I miss Summit

  44. jonas’


  45. jonas’

    Summit would’ve been great, especially after this straining year

  46. Zash

    Much too easy to get upset at a bunch of text on a screen than AFK faces.

  47. Kev

    I'm hoping someone's going to announce a remote summit, but I don't have the cycles to put into arranging one, so I'm not making noise about it.

  48. Kev

    Oh, I guess it would have been tomorrow and Friday if it was happening wouldn't it. Nevermind :)

  49. flow

    Kev, yep, sometimes that is tempting to write…

  50. flow misses summit too

  51. Zash

    Kev, why yes, the bystander effect working group will take care of it!

  52. flow

    I'd really like to hear some short presentations from every active xmpp project about what they are currently doing and did in the last eyar

  53. Kev

    Well, Summit's usually a Board-led thing, not just 'someone' :)

  54. jonas’

    SCAM I thought?

  55. Kev

    It's been Board in the past.

  56. Kev

    Maybe they've delegated to SCAM (but if they delegated, it's still a Board thing).

  57. pep.

    I feel that lately board has just been a routing utility to working groups

  58. Zash

    That's a valid thing for a board to do.

  59. Kev

    pep.: I think that's fine. Board doesn't have to do work, just set direction and ensure that work is done.

  60. flow

    well if there is a SCAM team, then it appears sensible to delgate it to them, no?

  61. Zash

    flow, but *is there* a SCAM team?

  62. flow

    good question