jdev - 2021-02-01

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  111. paul jonas’: I've heard that you wrote xep 0392 and implemented it in poezio, isn't it?
  112. jonas’ paul, both correct!
  113. paul I have a color issue, following the xep I have different color from poezio, and reading the poezio code I see that when computing the hue_angle the sha output is / 65535 instead of 65536 in the xep
  114. jonas’ that is a typo in the poezio source then
  115. jonas’ the XEP has the correct value
  116. paul ok thanks :)
  117. jonas’ (logic behind it: as the result is supposed to be an angle, 0 == 360. Hence, we don’t want to be able to generate *both* 0 and 360. Hence, we must divide by 2^16 instead of 2^16-1 in order to get the full possible range of distinct values out of the 16 bits of hash)
  118. jonas’ paul, thanks for the hint, I shall patch it
  119. paul make sense, you are welcome for the hint
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  161. lovetox a few days ago i asked if there is a client that stores notifications in a way they survive a restart
  162. lovetox does someone know such a client? is there any one that thinks this is important for a client?
  163. lovetox or can we live with seeing 0 notifications after restart
  164. Kev Psi will store unread message counts, if that's what you mean.
  165. lovetox yes its a subset of what i mean, but yes thats probably the most important notification
  166. lovetox i wonder what i should store, simply a dict like thing like "contact: 10 notifications"
  167. lovetox or does the user need to know exactly which 10 messages are unread
  168. lovetox i could probably store the stanza or message id
  169. Kev Psi stored the messages.
  170. lovetox but then it gets much for mucs ect, if i have to store 350 unread messages with message id etc in a public muc
  171. Kev Of course, I've not looked at the Psi code for coming up to a decade and a half, so I may be a *smidge* out of date.
  172. lovetox yeah maybe i take a look myself
  173. Sam Whited Gajim shows me a little unread marker when I start it if that's what you mean? Or do you want it to pop up notifications again for each message?
  174. jonas’ actually this sounds like "inbox"
  175. lovetox yes Sam Whited , i mean exactly that, right now Gajim saves one db row for every unread message but only 1:1
  176. lovetox and yes jonas’ its probably that if we talk about syncing this state across clients
  177. lovetox but i rather try to think how i can solve this locally
  178. lovetox i just wonder if and how this saving of unread messages scales in public mucs
  179. Zash lovetox, one row per message? as opposed to one row per chat, with a pointer to the latest message?
  180. Stefan Some clients have notification setups. None, mentioned, always. In big public mucs I have just mentioned. I would recommend to do this based on the notification setup.
  181. Stefan 🤔
  182. Sam Whited What Zash said. Although I still don't get what you're asking or what you're trying to do I think.
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  185. lovetox Sam Whited, you have 1134 messages unread in jdev, your computer does a restart
  186. lovetox what do you expect to see when you start it again
  187. jonas’ lovetox, I think I don’t expect a notification for those, but the unread counter in the UI should be correct.
  188. Sam Whited lovetox: the chat marked however you mark unread (maybe it's bold, maybe it has a little icon, an unread number, whatever) and when I open it there's a line dividing the read from the unread and it's at the top of the unread list.
  189. jonas’ but I *do* expect a notification for messages which arrived between the last focus to gajim and the restart, I think.
  190. Stefan 1134 unread messages + new as counter. I think conversations does.
  191. Sam Whited I wouldn't expect any notifications after restart (assuming you mean some sort of pop up) personally.
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  194. lovetox ok so i need to save the counter, and the last message-id, and if you open the chat again, i scroll to that message-id and thats it
  195. jonas’ Sam Whited, torn on that one, I think no notifications is OK
  196. lovetox sorry with notification i mean a bubble with the counter
  197. lovetox not a desktop notification
  198. jonas’ yeah, those need to be correct
  199. Sam Whited oh gotcha, yah, I'd show an icon or a counter or something
  200. lovetox ok and when you focus the chat, and i scroll to that message, should the counter go to 0?
  201. jonas’ I personally think there’s no good solution to that. All solutions are terrible / wrong.
  202. jonas’ I personally think there’s no good solution to *that* specifically. All solutions are terrible / wrong.
  203. lovetox i mean i can color all messages in a way so you know they are unread
  204. lovetox but when i the point where i mark them read
  205. Sam Whited On a desktop client at least I'd expect it to go to zero once I've scrolled to the bottom. That's what Slack does and it seems to work pretty well.
  206. jonas’ but IME the solutions which allow me to mark as read as easily and painlessly as possible are the least worst
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  208. Sam Whited Or once I click the "Clear notification" or "Jump to recent messages" or whatever if either of those are a feature you hvae
  209. lovetox im in the process of rewriting the whole thing, so thats why i ask
  210. lovetox reaching bottom is good i guess
  211. lovetox but with that solution i dont need to save all message-ids, only the first unread
  212. lovetox and the total count
  213. Sam Whited It also depends if you have threads, I think. Those may change things.
  214. lovetox no i dont have threads
  215. lovetox and i will not
  216. lovetox personally i hat them
  217. Sam Whited Cool, no need to handle those differently then
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  219. Sam Whited Yah I haven't seen a threading implementation I like. I want them, I like the general idea, I just don't like any of the implementations I've tried. Slack is the least-bad I think, but it's the only one I've used in a long time so I may just be used to the pain.
  220. jonas’ Sam Whited, out of curiousity, did you try zulip?
  221. jonas’ (a recent one, they had a major release in 2020)
  222. jonas’ we had a zulip trial run at $dayjob, and I was pleasantly surprised. threads feel really natural and workable there.
  223. Kev Slack's looks ok on the surface, but then you realise that threads are invisible as soon as you don't choose 'share in main channel' or whatever it's called, and you don't see replies, and blah. I agree it's probably the least-bad, mind.
  224. Sam Whited jonas’: I think so, but I literally don't remember it. That sounds really familiar though. Definitely didn't try it in 2020, so maybe I'll play with it again
  225. Kev My favourite threading implementations are the ones that just allow replies to messages, rather than 'threads'.
  226. Sam Whited Kev: I really like that they're invisible actually and that I can get to them from the initial message and from the "Threads" view, I just wish they had a subject to make them more obvious and you could see a list of threads by channel
  227. Kev Different use case, I guess.
  228. Sam Whited I like it because I end up discussing a feature I'm working on in our team channel, and some front end people end up discussing some front end stuff I don't care about, and neither of us have to get every channel notification, it's just kind of hidden away for people who want that conversation to look at
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