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love
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hello
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moparisthebest
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> if the server offers a method that simply does not work, i tend to think admin should get informed by user reports right away
> and not we fall silently back and problem is not discovered for eternety
> same story with direct and start tls
moparisthebest
16:41:40
lovetox: that's not at all the same story though
moparisthebest
16:42:14
With sasl mechanisms, you have a secure and authenticated connection to your trusted server
moparisthebest
16:42:59
If a network attacker blocks 1 of many connection methods and you don't try the rest, that's letting the attacker win
moparisthebest
16:43:47
No user ever wants to not connect when they could connect, right?
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Sam Whited
16:50:15
moparisthebest: if an attacker blocks one method that could also be a downgrade attack; I'm all for preventing DOS's, but in the case of auth I'd say it's probably worth failing fast (depending on the mechanisms, their security levels, etc.)
Zash
16:50:42
If an attacker blocks one SASL method? You're already on pretty thin ice then.
moparisthebest
16:51:52
No I'm talking about connecting, not auth methods, I'm saying they are very different, not the same
Sam Whited
16:53:02
oh gotcha, yah, I tend to agree
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