jdev - 2021-02-20

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lovetox 22:12:55
so about pep, say someone publishes something over pep, for example avatar or nickname
lovetox 22:13:11
and i cache that info so i can show it before i connect to the server
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lovetox 22:13:39
if the contact deleted his node, im stuck forever wth the data
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lovetox 22:13:56
there is nothing that informs me that the node was deleted, if i was offline at the time of deletion
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lovetox 22:16:20
question is, should i care?
Zash 22:17:11
Some of the PEP XEPs talk about publishing a mostly empty payload to remove stuff.
lovetox 22:17:14
basically every pep xep says if you want the data to be deleted, you need to publish empty info, not delete the node
Zash 22:17:19
.
Zash 22:18:27
I've thought about implementing https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0312.html to help with that.
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Zash 22:20:49
The minimum subset of PubSub features needed for PEP doesn't include node deletion (or creation for that matter)
Zash 22:21:16
Or
lovetox 22:21:23
i think i just dont care, and offer some kind of cache reset button
Zash 22:21:25
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0163.html#defaults
Zash 22:21:26
It does
Zash 22:21:50
lovetox: Could roll a dice and have some expiry time.
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lovetox 22:22:07
i thought about that
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lovetox 22:25:05
i think i add the timestamp, can be useful and i can do some expiry magic
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Zash 22:27:39
What if, when connecting and going online and fetching all the cached items, you mark those as expired. If a new PEP notification comes in, that replaces the previously cached thing. Then next time, ignore those marked as expired.
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lovetox 22:30:56
but i dont fetch all the items, i only fetch what i currently need and display
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lovetox 22:31:39
also sound inefficient
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lovetox 22:32:04
bascially if i have a table with 1000 rows, you say i should update all 1000 with "expired"
Zash 22:32:39
Could do it by having a generation number, that increases every time restart / reconnect or something
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lovetox 22:33:50
i dont see the benefit over just storing the last received timestamp
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Zash 22:34:32
So first time you start, generation=1, anything you receive is saved with generation=1. You reboot. generation=2. anyting in the database with generation>=1 is used as cache, purge generation<0. etc.
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lovetox 22:37:09
hm, there is so much pep data
Zash 22:37:28
And when does anyone except me delete nodes anyway?
Zash 22:37:34
Is that a common thing?
lovetox 22:38:01
i dont think so whats more common is that someone uses a client that supports UserTune
lovetox 22:38:12
then switches client which does not support it
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lovetox 22:38:18
from now on the tune is stuck forever
lovetox 22:38:32
thats why i want you to implement pubsub expiry feature :)
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Zash 22:38:42
:)
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lovetox 22:39:04
there are some pep xep where the data is simply not useful > 24 hours
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Zash 22:39:41
We need an internal cron of some sort to keep track of all the time based expiry things we have now. MAM, HTTP upload, now this.
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Zash 22:42:07
lovetox: The above is sorta like generational garbage collection, and based on that things should become stale once you go offline. So if you go offline then anything you have stored is stale, until you go online and it gets (maybe) refreshed.
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