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lovetox 12:21:29
is there a way for the server marking a pubsub node as read-only?
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flow 18:02:31
lovetox, I am not aware of such a marking (but it's pubsub, so it may be somewhere). May I ask what an entity would do with that information, e.g. how it would influence an entities behavior?
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lovetox 18:05:30
say you have a server connected to ldap
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lovetox 18:05:52
the server provides vcards with information filled by ldap
lovetox 18:06:10
now as a client you show that vcard, but you cant show the user that he is not able to edit that vcard
Zash 18:09:16
Is there anything like that anywhere else?
Zash 18:11:21
Mostly I think we return an error when you try
lovetox 18:12:15
i mean it would probably trivial to hack something together that shows that to the client
lovetox 18:12:21
just add a custom attribute to the vcard
lovetox 18:12:28
that says LDAP, or Read-only
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whatever
flow 18:20:05
hmm I wonder if it would be sensible to have an is-this-pubsub-node-modifiable-by-me IQ query
flow 18:20:24
not sure if a server could mark a node as such
flow 18:20:40
which would be preferable, of course
flow 18:22:02
hmm, but can't you query the node settings and see if you can modify it?
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lovetox 19:17:27
flow there is no setting that would forbid me to modify my account pubsub node
lovetox 19:17:53
as account, i have full publishing permissions on anything
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flow 19:20:27
lovetox, I would imagine that a service would not allow you to modify a read-only pubsub node (e.g. like a synthesized vcard from ldap, as per your example)
flow 19:21:51
so maybe a service could set the access model to whitelist, with the list being empty
Zash 19:22:38
surely in such a deployment, not having write access would be fine
flow 19:23:00
ahh wait, "access model" seems to be about notification access, not push access
lovetox 19:23:00
flow, i never queried the whitelist
lovetox 19:23:07
but i imagin it is always empty
lovetox 19:23:26
yeah anyway
flow 19:24:11
Zash, sure, the question was how a client becomes aware of this. without the client presenting a user a nice dialog where he can modify the node, only to be annoyed to learn that he is not allowed to modify it
Zash 19:27:12
Some kind of "who am I to you" query would be nice.
Zash 19:28:25
Hm, do current PEP implementations do https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#entity-affiliations ?
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lovetox 19:32:53
how would that help Zash?
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Zash 19:34:40
could tell you whether you're _not_ the owner of some node, or otherwise don't have an affiliation that gives publishing rights
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lovetox 19:41:18
oh
lovetox 19:41:23
then i would do this query
lovetox 19:41:24
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#owner-affiliations
lovetox 19:41:37
and see that im for example only member
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lovetox 19:42:13
~~hm but can a member retrive the affiliations ^~~ ✎
lovetox 19:42:18
hm but can a member retrive the affiliations ^^ ✏
Zash 19:43:36
Confusingly there are two <affiliations/> queries, a normal one and an #owner one.
lovetox 19:44:01
no the one you pointed to gives all the affiliations a service offers
Zash 19:44:02
The former lets you query a pubsub service for your own affiliations (for all nodes on the service)
lovetox 19:44:26
ah
lovetox 19:44:26
ok
lovetox 19:44:29
i understand
lovetox 19:44:54
ok i guess this solves the problem thanks
Zash 19:45:33
probably as close as we get without inventing some new feature, yeah
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