jdev - 2021-05-05


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  691. flow moparisthebest, thanks, but POODLE and friends operate on the cryptographic's layer padding, whereas SCE (and OX) operate on the ciphertext. I *think* that makes a difference, but I am by no means an expert in this field
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  694. flow strictly speaking, <rpad/> is also no padding (at least how I understand padding), so it could be possible that the name of the element was badly choosen. I take full responsibility for that one :)
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  1024. marc0s hi, how do you handle muc joins in carbon-copied sessions? Thinking about it, I would say that I should react to the presence message directed to my bare jid with a 110-code status child in it so I can redraw the UI with that muc in the list. Other alternatives would be to react to the first message from a recipient that I don't already track, or joining as well whenever an invite is carbon-copied to me, but that leaves out non-invite-based joins. Thanks!
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  1029. MattJ marc0s, MUC traffic is (as a general rule) not cc'd, everything goes to the full JID of the joining session
  1030. MattJ One exception is private messages from other MUC occupants, which do get copied by default (for this reason most implementations hopefully tag them an <x> in the MUC namespace, so clients can handle them appropriately)
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  1034. marc0s thanks for the correction MattJ. How do clients handle then sharing the information about joined MUCs across sessions?
  1035. MattJ Short answer... they don't
  1036. MattJ Longer answer, the "autojoin" flag on MUC bookmarks is the current best signal for that
  1037. MattJ There have been threats of a dedicated protocol, but so far I don't think any have been submitted
  1038. MattJ But power users want to keep the ability to join rooms on some devices and not others, etc.
  1039. marc0s so, best bet is to rely in bookmarks and properly propagate changes on them to all available sessions, right?
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  1041. Zash via PEP notifications, is what at least Conversations and Dino does
  1042. marc0s makes sense
  1043. flow which works well, im my experience
  1044. marc0s thank you all, helpful as always :)
  1045. Zash Except for the power user wish of not burdening ones phone with e.g. big noisy public channels
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  1051. marc0s :)
  1052. MattJ Pesky power users. Pity they're the ones who write all the specs and develop all the apps :)
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  1061. Kev Except for me. I pretty much just want it to work as if it was Discord/Slack :D
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  1090. lovetox edhelas, Zash: i think the avatar xep is mistunderstood
  1091. lovetox only because the info element provides height and width
  1092. lovetox does not mean the xep supports multiple resolutions of the same picture
  1093. lovetox i read this XEP over and over, and come always to the same conclusion, it was never intended
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  1096. lovetox sentences like that for example bring me to that conclusion
  1097. lovetox The <metadata/> root element MAY contain more than one <info/> element. Each <info/> element MUST specify metadata for the same avatar image but in alternate content-types (e.g., "image/png", "image/gif", and "image/jpeg"), and one of the formats MUST be "image/png" to ensure interoperability.
  1098. lovetox its for different content-types
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  1101. Zash I have a council hat and I say let's do it anyway!
  1102. lovetox you may argue you can add multiple image/png
  1103. lovetox but then some things are underspecified
  1104. lovetox for example which hash of which resolution will be the item id of the metadata node
  1105. Zash The XEP has history going back ~18 years. Requirements and expectations drift a bit over time.
  1106. Zash We haven't really used it until recently anyway
  1107. Zash It could do with a touch-up
  1108. lovetox its also very akward in many situations
  1109. lovetox for example you can not communicate an addition of another resolution
  1110. lovetox because the sha would not change from the default avatar
  1111. lovetox or if you add another content-type than image/png
  1112. Zash Pick one .png as the "default". Put it first. Use its sha1 as item-id
  1113. edhelas lovetox what is also interesting is that the metadata node id item is having the hash of the png version
  1114. edhelas and not itemid="current" like for many other xeps like that
  1115. edhelas this means that you can actually store several metadata items
  1116. Zash But you have no way to select the primary
  1117. edhelas "oldest" in order :D
  1118. edhelas pubsub is ordered
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  1120. edhelas you have pagination on pubsub items
  1121. Zash The vcard-temp legacy compat stuff in Prosody will pick the item-id of the newest entry and use that in the xep-153-presence thing
  1122. edhelas in Telegram you cannot reorder your pictures
  1123. edhelas actually is "latest uploaded is the main one"
  1124. edhelas so it could fit there
  1125. Zash You could re-publish the metadata item to reorder, I guess.
  1126. edhelas yup
  1127. lovetox edhelas, but then the notification mechanism of pep does not work anymore
  1128. lovetox bookmarks 2 does only work with multiple items
  1129. Zash why doesn't what work?
  1130. lovetox because its a nessecery to query all bookmarks at start
  1131. lovetox then register to updates
  1132. lovetox Zash because pep says you get the *last* published item
  1133. edhelas exisiting PEP Avatar clients will still work the same way
  1134. lovetox and not all
  1135. edhelas they will pick "the latest" picture only
  1136. lovetox it not "old" clients
  1137. Zash So last one is the primary one, that you see unless you go out of your way to look at older avatars, if you have such a feature
  1138. lovetox its not a viable way to query all avatar elements from all contacts at start
  1139. edhelas if latest element != currently stored element => query the whole list again
  1140. edhelas and then you can have your +notify to notify you if the list changed
  1141. Zash PubSub Since ?
  1142. lovetox no, if i update my avatar
  1143. lovetox thats my new avatar
  1144. lovetox and my old one should be dead
  1145. lovetox a client who starts to query old avatars and treat it like different versions
  1146. edhelas 🤔
  1147. lovetox i mean that was never intended, and just because the xep could be used like that
  1148. lovetox no one does it, its not documented
  1149. lovetox i dont see this in any way viable
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  1155. Zash Document it, patch the XEP! We can do it!
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  1180. qrpnxz anyone have a regex on hand for JIDs?
  1181. Sam There is no such thing; regular expressions are regular, JIDs are not.
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  1185. lovetox if you are happy with regex that is not perfect, google regex for email, should be close enough
  1186. edhelas wow wow wow :D
  1187. edhelas email != jid
  1188. Sam Nope nope nope nope
  1189. Sam I can almost guarantee you that just implementing the splitting algorithm (if you don't care about actual validation and just want the parts) is easier
  1190. Sam But there's interesting discussion of it going on in operators@ if anyone is interested
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  1193. lovetox i said its close enough
  1194. edhelas nah :D
  1195. edhelas better validate something@something then
  1196. lovetox im sure if you google email regex thats one of the propsed solutions
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  1198. lovetox Sam i think applying the splitting algo is slow
  1199. lovetox if someone says regex its not only for "i want to know if this string is a jid"
  1200. lovetox its also for i have these 10000 lines of text and want to find all jids
  1201. Link Mauve lovetox, but my JID is foo, most email regexes won’t match this perfectly valid JID!
  1202. Sam It's definitely not slower than compiling and running a regexp, especially with the crappy recursive backtracking algorithm most regexp parsers use
  1203. lovetox Link Mauve, it was always about close enough
  1204. Sam But sure, I suppose for finding "things that might be JIDs" in a bunch of text I'd probably do a quick regexp too, fair enough
  1205. Link Mauve Most words will match then. :)
  1206. Sam I can't imagine anyone cares about the JID "foo".
  1207. Sam If they're parsing for things that look like JIDs in a document at least
  1208. Link Mauve Then they’re not looking for JIDs, but for bare user or MUC JIDs.
  1209. Link Mauve So basically anything containing a @.
  1210. Sam Sure, more or less, I assumed that's what lovetox meant when they said they were looking in a document
  1211. Sam We're talking about looking for JIDs with a regexp… no need to be precis here (pun intended).
  1212. lovetox yes if people get messages, they want URLs, JIDs, Emails all highlighted
  1213. lovetox so they can click them
  1214. pulkomandy Smalltalk: everything is an object Tcl: everything is a string Xmpp: everything is a JID
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  1220. qrpnxz Sam, didn't know JID were not regular. What kind of nesting can they have?
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  1225. qrpnxz i'm sceptical tbh. I'm gonna spend hours trying to make one now aren't I... Wish me luck.
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  1228. Sam If you just want to split it I'm wrong I think, I was being dumb about resource parts
  1229. Sam https://lab.louiz.org/poezio/slixmpp/-/blob/master/slixmpp/jid.py#L26 may be good enough fir you.
  1230. Sam Still, it's probably a bad idea.
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  1233. moparisthebest > probably a bad idea. So... All technology then?
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