Nuclear is much more safe than coal. Especially when imported from faraway!
jubalh
https://github.com/profanity-im/profanity/commit/f4fb61b0c83b0eea20f7b60fa83bc116fd103a84 then later we did the crazy ID thing
jubalh
Ge0rG: but am I wrong that mostly green party in germany is against nuclear? I didn't follow very closely but I was under that impression
edhelas
Step 1: Wait for Germany to get dependent on foreign import
Step 2: Do x5 in French exported electricity to Germany
Step 3: PROFITS §§§
edhelas
Russia is having the same plan with Gaz 😎
Ge0rG
jubalh: no, that's right. Killing Nuclear was the Greens' main proposition back in the early 2000s
Ge0rG
If only they had killed coal instead.
nephele
nuclear could be better, maybe when they stop using the one tech that is good for making nuclear weapons... and invest in any of the countless other safer options
jubalh
:/
edhelas
Weapons are built in factories that runs on electricity 🤔
Zash
Reject technology. Become potato farmer. Take over the world with spud guns!
edhelas
Ge0rG that's why I was asking you if a part of the german population is asking the governement to now change their plans ?
Ge0rG
edhelas: I had trouble parsing your message. Our government recently decided to pay billions to Big Coal to stop coal power by 2045.
edhelas
So early
edhelas
Enough time to replace them with… gaz ?
Ge0rG
Yes, gas will be increased to compensate for loss of coal.
Ge0rG
Meanwhile, our governments are sabotaging solar and wind as much as they can.
Ge0rG
In my state, you can't put a new wind turbine closer than 1km to a settlement, with a settlement being anything with three or more houses.
edhelas
sabotaging ?
edhelas
ah :D
Zash
Nobody wants things in their back yard.
edhelas
Well if you replace a plant with wind turbines, that's suddenly way more backyards that you need to use :D
Zash
Good thing our back yards are yüuuuge up here.
edhelas
Zash where is it ?
Zash
North Sweden.
edhelas
:D indeed
Ge0rG
And if you want to install small-scale solar, you need to create a company and do significant tax work. If you want to do large-scale solar (on your own premises), you need to participate in government tenders.
Zash
They are putting up wind turbines somewhere here atm
edhelas
Ge0rG same in France, the gov is basically cutting all the money helicopter on solar
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Zash
Funny because they're too large to move on the large roads which all have bridges over them.
They promised a few years back to buy all the solar electricity at a very competitive price, but now they're just stopping it, the result is meh…
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edhelas
Also I find it really dumb to spend all this money on trying to decarbonate electricity in France :D
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Zash
Solar does go up on roofs here and there. You can even sell excess power back to the grid. But you can't make a profit.
edhelas
We have plenty of things to decarbonate, and electricity is definitely not the main one
Ge0rG
I'm only using solar+wind, and 80% of the price are taxes and fees to install more solar and wind, except there is no way to do that.
edhelas
Ge0rG you have a "green" contract ?
Zash
Tho being up north it tends to be dark during the time you need power. And also snow.
edhelas
Zash clever
Ge0rG
If they'd got rid of the taxes and fees on renewable electricity, it would suddenly become as cheap for heating as oil or gas.
Ge0rG
and much cheaper with heat pumps.
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Ge0rG
edhelas: yeah. I used to have hydro from a regional company, but they stopped selling that.
emus
Wind goes Offshore 🤘
edhelas
Ge0rG what is your yearly CO² impact ? because you can have 80% renewable 100% Bio-Vegan electricity, if the 20% that remains you're burning 800g/CO²/kwh lignite, well…
Ge0rG
edhelas: I have 100% solar + wind in my contract. And I'm using it to charge my BEV
Ge0rG
(I'm still heating with gas though, because $$$)
edhelas
when you have such thing, on an individual level, or national level, you need to check the yearly "average" result
Ge0rG
edhelas: I'm depressed enough already, kthx
edhelas
because it can be "I didn't took any plane, except the one time I flew into space"
edhelas
:D
edhelas
Ge0rG heat pumps are great <3
Zash
Unless everyone has them
edhelas
Zash ?
Ge0rG
edhelas: the loud ones aren't
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Zash
Stockholm is apparently such a needlework of wells for heat pumps, so efficiency is lost.
Sam
They also stop working in winter unless you get the drilled geothermal ones (which are expensive, at least around here)
edhelas
they, they can't replace A/C or heating
Ge0rG
I wish I could drill one, but my home is built on stone.
edhelas
but they can help with only a bit of energy, again you have to check the average each year :p
Zash
Ge0rG, anything is possible with a big enough drill!
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edhelas
except drilling into 0045 or 0060
Zash
Solar does go up on roofs here and there. You can even sell excess power back to the grid. But you can't make a profit.
Zash
Tho being up north it tends to be dark during the time you need power. And also snow.
Ge0rG
Zash: there is no road to the place where you'd have to drill, but a 100% slope of 3m
edhelas
what do you mean by geothermal ? just using the "freshness" of the ground ?
edhelas
like this ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-coupled_heat_exchanger
We had the shallow surface variant at a previous place. Don't think it had any problem with winter, snow is a great insulator.
Sam
The ground ones are fine in winter; the above ground ones stop working if it freezes
Sam
Which is still fine depending on where you live. It only freezes for a few days out of the winter in Georgia so you can revert to electric coil heaters just for those days or something and still be doing pretty good.
Sam
But then you also have to have that system installed
Sam
(I really wanted one of these, but it's just impractically expensive here sadly)
edhelas
Sam you mean a ground one ?
Ge0rG
Sam: I'm feeling with you!
Sam
Either; I mean yah, a ground one would be ideal, but it's expensive to drill
edhelas
yeah, it's better to do it while doing something else at the same time
Sam
There's an environmental chat room where this might be a good discussion topic, FIY 🙂 I don't have the address in front of me though. I think I found two on the search
edhelas
?
Sam
Found it. I was just saying that xmpp:environment@chat.disroot.org?join might be a good place for this conversation (instead of jdev).