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edhelas
one small question, is BuddyCloud still alive ?
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flow
pretty sure not
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flow
edhelas ↑
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edhelas
okay, because it was one of the project that was pushing things around Pubsub in the ecosystem
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Zash
Not much activity since 2015 from what I can see.
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edhelas
ok :)
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Zash
edhelas, last project standing?
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Zash
Not much activity since 2015 from what I can see.
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edhelas
nah, there is SàT :D
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Zash
and `clix publish_atom` !
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edhelas
damn, so much competition
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Zash
Better step up your game ;)
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edhelas
time to release AtomMovim ! fully incompatible with the others
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Ge0rG
go nuclear!
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edhelas
The Movim server is hosted in Germany, so we're more using coal than nuclear there :p
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Zash
Oof
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Ge0rG
edhelas: I'm sorry for that. I've tried for over twenty years now to get rid of our climate- and science-denialist government.
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jubalh
isnt it mostly the green party that tries to stop nuclear?
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edhelas
Yup, I know, I really hope that at one moment "they" will understand how illogical their decisions are
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Zash
and `clix publish_atom` !
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Ge0rG
edhelas: It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.
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jubalh
even when his survival is threatened?
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edhelas
Ge0rG is there a few people in Germany that questions the "full renewable (+coal/gaz)" politics ?
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Ge0rG
jubalh: none of the fat old white guys is actually threatened by climate change.
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Ge0rG
edhelas: pardon?
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jubalh
"fat old white guys" oh now I cannot take any serious anymore what you will say :/
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Ge0rG
jubalh: which of those attributes doesn't match Armin Laschet?
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jubalh
it was plural "guys". So this gave me the impression that you are one of those people who think "white + male = evil"
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Ge0rG
jubalh: no. I think "successful politician = evil + corrupt"
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Ge0rG
and it just happens that most of them are fat old white guys.
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jubalh
hehe
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Ge0rG
because, you know, unbiased random selection.
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edhelas
damn, I can't have jubalh messages, still this message id bug
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edhelas
yup, profanity
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jubalh
"bug" :)
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Zash
Bug!
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Ge0rG
"message ID too strong"
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nephele
Eh, the german goverment will get rid of coal, and then we get nuclear power from france :P
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edhelas
https://github.com/profanity-im/profanity/issues/1520
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edhelas
nephele you are already getting it from France :p
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Zash
Mission successful eh
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nephele
yes, but with less coal that means more nuclear
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jubalh
funny thing is, the first contribution i made to profanity (if i remember correctly) was using UUID for IDs instead of incremented number
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Zash
And then south Sweden shuts down their nuclear plants, to then import German coal power!
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edhelas
https://www.rte-france.com/eco2mix/les-echanges-commerciaux-aux-frontieres#
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nephele
sounds good
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Ge0rG
Nuclear is much more safe than coal. Especially when imported from faraway!
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jubalh
https://github.com/profanity-im/profanity/commit/f4fb61b0c83b0eea20f7b60fa83bc116fd103a84 then later we did the crazy ID thing
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jubalh
Ge0rG: but am I wrong that mostly green party in germany is against nuclear? I didn't follow very closely but I was under that impression
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edhelas
Step 1: Wait for Germany to get dependent on foreign import Step 2: Do x5 in French exported electricity to Germany Step 3: PROFITS §§§
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edhelas
Russia is having the same plan with Gaz 😎
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Ge0rG
jubalh: no, that's right. Killing Nuclear was the Greens' main proposition back in the early 2000s
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Ge0rG
If only they had killed coal instead.
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nephele
nuclear could be better, maybe when they stop using the one tech that is good for making nuclear weapons... and invest in any of the countless other safer options
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jubalh
:/
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edhelas
Weapons are built in factories that runs on electricity 🤔
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Zash
Reject technology. Become potato farmer. Take over the world with spud guns!
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edhelas
Ge0rG that's why I was asking you if a part of the german population is asking the governement to now change their plans ?
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Ge0rG
edhelas: I had trouble parsing your message. Our government recently decided to pay billions to Big Coal to stop coal power by 2045.
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edhelas
So early
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edhelas
Enough time to replace them with… gaz ?
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Ge0rG
Yes, gas will be increased to compensate for loss of coal.
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Ge0rG
Meanwhile, our governments are sabotaging solar and wind as much as they can.
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Ge0rG
In my state, you can't put a new wind turbine closer than 1km to a settlement, with a settlement being anything with three or more houses.
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edhelas
sabotaging ?
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edhelas
ah :D
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Zash
Nobody wants things in their back yard.
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edhelas
Well if you replace a plant with wind turbines, that's suddenly way more backyards that you need to use :D
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Zash
Good thing our back yards are yüuuuge up here.
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edhelas
Zash where is it ?
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Zash
North Sweden.
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edhelas
:D indeed
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Ge0rG
And if you want to install small-scale solar, you need to create a company and do significant tax work. If you want to do large-scale solar (on your own premises), you need to participate in government tenders.
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Zash
They are putting up wind turbines somewhere here atm
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edhelas
Ge0rG same in France, the gov is basically cutting all the money helicopter on solar
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Zash
Funny because they're too large to move on the large roads which all have bridges over them.
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Zash
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Zash
So into the woods on tiny dirt roads they go ✏
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edhelas
They promised a few years back to buy all the solar electricity at a very competitive price, but now they're just stopping it, the result is meh…
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edhelas
Also I find it really dumb to spend all this money on trying to decarbonate electricity in France :D
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Zash
Solar does go up on roofs here and there. You can even sell excess power back to the grid. But you can't make a profit.
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edhelas
We have plenty of things to decarbonate, and electricity is definitely not the main one
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Ge0rG
I'm only using solar+wind, and 80% of the price are taxes and fees to install more solar and wind, except there is no way to do that.
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edhelas
Ge0rG you have a "green" contract ?
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Zash
Tho being up north it tends to be dark during the time you need power. And also snow.
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edhelas
Zash clever
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Ge0rG
If they'd got rid of the taxes and fees on renewable electricity, it would suddenly become as cheap for heating as oil or gas.
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Ge0rG
and much cheaper with heat pumps.
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Ge0rG
edhelas: yeah. I used to have hydro from a regional company, but they stopped selling that.
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emus
Wind goes Offshore 🤘
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edhelas
Ge0rG what is your yearly CO² impact ? because you can have 80% renewable 100% Bio-Vegan electricity, if the 20% that remains you're burning 800g/CO²/kwh lignite, well…
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Ge0rG
edhelas: I have 100% solar + wind in my contract. And I'm using it to charge my BEV
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Ge0rG
(I'm still heating with gas though, because $$$)
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edhelas
when you have such thing, on an individual level, or national level, you need to check the yearly "average" result
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Ge0rG
edhelas: I'm depressed enough already, kthx
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edhelas
because it can be "I didn't took any plane, except the one time I flew into space"
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edhelas
:D
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edhelas
Ge0rG heat pumps are great <3
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Zash
Unless everyone has them
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edhelas
Zash ?
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Ge0rG
edhelas: the loud ones aren't
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Zash
Stockholm is apparently such a needlework of wells for heat pumps, so efficiency is lost.
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Sam
They also stop working in winter unless you get the drilled geothermal ones (which are expensive, at least around here)
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edhelas
they, they can't replace A/C or heating
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Ge0rG
I wish I could drill one, but my home is built on stone.
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edhelas
but they can help with only a bit of energy, again you have to check the average each year :p
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Zash
Ge0rG, anything is possible with a big enough drill!
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edhelas
except drilling into 0045 or 0060
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Zash
Solar does go up on roofs here and there. You can even sell excess power back to the grid. But you can't make a profit.
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Zash
Tho being up north it tends to be dark during the time you need power. And also snow.
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Ge0rG
Zash: there is no road to the place where you'd have to drill, but a 100% slope of 3m
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edhelas
what do you mean by geothermal ? just using the "freshness" of the ground ?
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edhelas
like this ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-coupled_heat_exchanger
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Zash
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_source_heat_pump rather?
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edhelas
yeah ok
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Zash
We had the shallow surface variant at a previous place. Don't think it had any problem with winter, snow is a great insulator.
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Sam
The ground ones are fine in winter; the above ground ones stop working if it freezes
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Sam
Which is still fine depending on where you live. It only freezes for a few days out of the winter in Georgia so you can revert to electric coil heaters just for those days or something and still be doing pretty good.
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Sam
But then you also have to have that system installed
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Sam
(I really wanted one of these, but it's just impractically expensive here sadly)
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edhelas
Sam you mean a ground one ?
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Ge0rG
Sam: I'm feeling with you!
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Sam
Either; I mean yah, a ground one would be ideal, but it's expensive to drill
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edhelas
yeah, it's better to do it while doing something else at the same time
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Sam
There's an environmental chat room where this might be a good discussion topic, FIY 🙂 I don't have the address in front of me though. I think I found two on the search
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edhelas
?
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Sam
Found it. I was just saying that xmpp:environment@chat.disroot.org?join might be a good place for this conversation (instead of jdev).