jdev - 2021-07-22

one small question, is BuddyCloud still alive ?

pretty sure not

edhelas ↑

okay, because it was one of the project that was pushing things around Pubsub in the ecosystem

Not much activity since 2015 from what I can see.

ok :)

edhelas, last project standing?

Not much activity since 2015 from what I can see.

nah, there is SàT :D

and `clix publish_atom` !

damn, so much competition

Better step up your game ;)

time to release AtomMovim ! fully incompatible with the others

go nuclear!

The Movim server is hosted in Germany, so we're more using coal than nuclear there :p

Oof

edhelas: I'm sorry for that. I've tried for over twenty years now to get rid of our climate- and science-denialist government.

isnt it mostly the green party that tries to stop nuclear?

Yup, I know, I really hope that at one moment "they" will understand how illogical their decisions are

and `clix publish_atom` !

edhelas: It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.

even when his survival is threatened?

Ge0rG is there a few people in Germany that questions the "full renewable (+coal/gaz)" politics ?

jubalh: none of the fat old white guys is actually threatened by climate change.

edhelas: pardon?

"fat old white guys" oh now I cannot take any serious anymore what you will say :/

jubalh: which of those attributes doesn't match Armin Laschet?

it was plural "guys". So this gave me the impression that you are one of those people who think "white + male = evil"

jubalh: no. I think "successful politician = evil + corrupt"

and it just happens that most of them are fat old white guys.

hehe

because, you know, unbiased random selection.

damn, I can't have jubalh messages, still this message id bug

yup, profanity

"bug" :)

Bug!

"message ID too strong"

Eh, the german goverment will get rid of coal, and then we get nuclear power from france :P

https://github.com/profanity-im/profanity/issues/1520

nephele you are already getting it from France :p

Mission successful eh

yes, but with less coal that means more nuclear

funny thing is, the first contribution i made to profanity (if i remember correctly) was using UUID for IDs instead of incremented number

And then south Sweden shuts down their nuclear plants, to then import German coal power!

https://www.rte-france.com/eco2mix/les-echanges-commerciaux-aux-frontieres#

sounds good

Nuclear is much more safe than coal. Especially when imported from faraway!

https://github.com/profanity-im/profanity/commit/f4fb61b0c83b0eea20f7b60fa83bc116fd103a84 then later we did the crazy ID thing

Ge0rG: but am I wrong that mostly green party in germany is against nuclear? I didn't follow very closely but I was under that impression

Step 1: Wait for Germany to get dependent on foreign import Step 2: Do x5 in French exported electricity to Germany Step 3: PROFITS §§§

Russia is having the same plan with Gaz 😎

jubalh: no, that's right. Killing Nuclear was the Greens' main proposition back in the early 2000s

If only they had killed coal instead.

nuclear could be better, maybe when they stop using the one tech that is good for making nuclear weapons... and invest in any of the countless other safer options

:/

Weapons are built in factories that runs on electricity 🤔

Reject technology. Become potato farmer. Take over the world with spud guns!

Ge0rG that's why I was asking you if a part of the german population is asking the governement to now change their plans ?

edhelas: I had trouble parsing your message. Our government recently decided to pay billions to Big Coal to stop coal power by 2045.

So early

Enough time to replace them with… gaz ?

Yes, gas will be increased to compensate for loss of coal.

Meanwhile, our governments are sabotaging solar and wind as much as they can.

In my state, you can't put a new wind turbine closer than 1km to a settlement, with a settlement being anything with three or more houses.

sabotaging ?

ah :D

Nobody wants things in their back yard.

Well if you replace a plant with wind turbines, that's suddenly way more backyards that you need to use :D

Good thing our back yards are yüuuuge up here.

Zash where is it ?

North Sweden.

:D indeed

And if you want to install small-scale solar, you need to create a company and do significant tax work. If you want to do large-scale solar (on your own premises), you need to participate in government tenders.

They are putting up wind turbines somewhere here atm

Ge0rG same in France, the gov is basically cutting all the money helicopter on solar

Funny because they're too large to move on the large roads which all have bridges over them.

So into the woods on tiny dirt roads they go ✏

They promised a few years back to buy all the solar electricity at a very competitive price, but now they're just stopping it, the result is meh…

Also I find it really dumb to spend all this money on trying to decarbonate electricity in France :D

Solar does go up on roofs here and there. You can even sell excess power back to the grid. But you can't make a profit.

We have plenty of things to decarbonate, and electricity is definitely not the main one

I'm only using solar+wind, and 80% of the price are taxes and fees to install more solar and wind, except there is no way to do that.

Ge0rG you have a "green" contract ?

Tho being up north it tends to be dark during the time you need power. And also snow.

Zash clever

If they'd got rid of the taxes and fees on renewable electricity, it would suddenly become as cheap for heating as oil or gas.

and much cheaper with heat pumps.

edhelas: yeah. I used to have hydro from a regional company, but they stopped selling that.

Wind goes Offshore 🤘

Ge0rG what is your yearly CO² impact ? because you can have 80% renewable 100% Bio-Vegan electricity, if the 20% that remains you're burning 800g/CO²/kwh lignite, well…

edhelas: I have 100% solar + wind in my contract. And I'm using it to charge my BEV

(I'm still heating with gas though, because $$$)

when you have such thing, on an individual level, or national level, you need to check the yearly "average" result

edhelas: I'm depressed enough already, kthx

because it can be "I didn't took any plane, except the one time I flew into space"

:D

Ge0rG heat pumps are great <3

Unless everyone has them

Zash ?

edhelas: the loud ones aren't

Stockholm is apparently such a needlework of wells for heat pumps, so efficiency is lost.

They also stop working in winter unless you get the drilled geothermal ones (which are expensive, at least around here)

they, they can't replace A/C or heating

I wish I could drill one, but my home is built on stone.

but they can help with only a bit of energy, again you have to check the average each year :p

Ge0rG, anything is possible with a big enough drill!

except drilling into 0045 or 0060

Solar does go up on roofs here and there. You can even sell excess power back to the grid. But you can't make a profit.

Tho being up north it tends to be dark during the time you need power. And also snow.

Zash: there is no road to the place where you'd have to drill, but a 100% slope of 3m

what do you mean by geothermal ? just using the "freshness" of the ground ?

like this ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-coupled_heat_exchanger

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_source_heat_pump rather?

yeah ok

We had the shallow surface variant at a previous place. Don't think it had any problem with winter, snow is a great insulator.

The ground ones are fine in winter; the above ground ones stop working if it freezes

Which is still fine depending on where you live. It only freezes for a few days out of the winter in Georgia so you can revert to electric coil heaters just for those days or something and still be doing pretty good.

But then you also have to have that system installed

(I really wanted one of these, but it's just impractically expensive here sadly)

Sam you mean a ground one ?

Sam: I'm feeling with you!

Either; I mean yah, a ground one would be ideal, but it's expensive to drill

yeah, it's better to do it while doing something else at the same time

There's an environmental chat room where this might be a good discussion topic, FIY 🙂 I don't have the address in front of me though. I think I found two on the search

?

Found it. I was just saying that xmpp:environment@chat.disroot.org?join might be a good place for this conversation (instead of jdev).