jdev - 2021-07-31


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  388. edhelas Is voice message something that would be interesting to push on XMPP clients ?
  389. edhelas looks quite simple to implement and it could be a nice feature to add
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  391. Link Mauve I hate it.
  392. Link Mauve A friend of mine uses that a lot, which means I have to take out my headphones or stop the music whenever she wants to say something.
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  398. _Liveware Problem_ > Is voice message something that would be interesting to push on XMPP clients ? I think yes. Because many people use it with WhatsApp. So the may be expect it.
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  403. goffi edhelas: it is useful, it's already implemented in Libervia.
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  405. _Liveware Problem_ > Is voice message something that would be interesting to push on XMPP clients ? I think yes. Because many people use it with WhatsApp. So they may expect it.
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  408. moparisthebest Have you experienced the MUCs where people upload audio after audio and get mad when people ignore them? Good times
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  410. moparisthebest (it's still useful of course, just people inevitably abuse it like all things)
  411. MattJ It's a culture thing. It's only "abuse" from your perspective (and mine) because that's not the way we do things
  412. moparisthebest Yep, like an unwritten muc etiquette rule
  413. MattJ Some people only communicate that way, and apps like Clubhouse demonstrate that audio is still popular
  414. Zash "Know your audience."
  415. MattJ You could build an audio-only messaging app using existing XEPs, it could become the next big thing!
  416. MattJ Products vs protocols
  417. MattJ Also fun: Clubhouse grew to many millions of users while only supporting a single platform (iOS)
  418. Zash Exclusivity makes it attractive.
  419. MattJ And totally disregarding privacy and security
  420. Zash Sure, nobody cares about that until it bites them.
  421. moparisthebest Also "FaceTime" I guess?
  422. Zash As usual, the only thing that matters is network effect and enough marketing budget to get create it.
  423. Zash As usual, the only thing that matters is network effect and enough marketing budget to create it.
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  438. pep. > Link Mauve> I hate it. > A friend of mine uses that a lot, which means I have to take out my headphones or stop the music whenever she wants to say something. You are not alone! But I guess it's probably useful to a certain population..
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  445. _Liveware Problem_ I hate it too. I just think lots of people like it, so to get people using the xmpp network it would be beneficial
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  449. me9 People are getting so lazy tho; I wouldn't push that too much.
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  479. wurstsalat Why not enable people to chat however they like?
  480. MattJ That's basically how things are, the protocol supports it, as do a number of clients
  481. MattJ But it's not that simple, because some people also want to consume messages however they like
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  484. MattJ I don't have much interest in a channel where I have to listen to most content via audio, I hate phones in general, one reason I work on an IM protocol in the first place :)
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  490. _Liveware Problem_ I think its rude in every multiuser channel. Because it takes so much time from everyone if they listen to it. I would only do it in 1:1. I sometimes used it when I didn't have any time to type but needed to get a message out. Like crying baby in the arm in the supermarket and asking what else to buy.
  491. Zash Different kinds of communication have different requirements and trade-offs.
  492. MattJ They deserve to receive a recording of the crying baby :) (I've done that before to people who demanded to know why I didn't answer their call when I was clearly there)
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  496. MattJ But as I said earlier, audio is the default for some groups. Even if it seems alien to most people hanging out in this text-based chat.
  497. Zash Maybe the solution is to build in text-{to,from}-speech?
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  500. Zash Then we can have content type negotiation \o/
  501. MattJ Just a direct interface to your brain
  502. Zash Accept: text/plain
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  504. me9 Are there any good enough open source TTS/STT? If it's not accurate enough, why integrate it?
  505. me9 And it would have to be online only for some quality, I'd guess. Which leaks all of the messages/audios to your server.
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  507. Martin Just do it. If people don't like it they can tell others to please not send audio messages. I mean it's a social thing, so people should agree on how they want to communicate and the protocol/product should not limit them to text only.
  508. Martin I personally also dislike audio messages.
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  510. Martin Except when I am on a business trip and the hotels internet is not good enough for a call. Then I exchange voice messages with my wife as you don't want to communicate only through text for two weeks or so.
  511. Martin But strangers sending voice messages to a public muc is also strange to me. 😃
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