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  255. wolfspelz Hi, I recently upgraded from very old ejabberd to current. I noticed that, that when I enter a room, mod_muc sends an room-presence without nickname (bare room JID) and then a room-presence with nickname (room JID with nickname resource) as expected. I wonder why I get an initial presence type=available with a bare JID of the room. Did the protocol change? Can someone enlighten me?
  256. Zash That's how the room avatar is delivered.
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  258. Zash I don't like that method, but users want room avatars, so that's become a de-facto standard.
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  261. wolfspelz Zash is that an answer to my question? For the room avatar, the room JID with nickname would be enough. Why the additional bare room JID?
  262. Zash What nickname? The room itself can't have a nickname
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  266. wolfspelz Client sends: presence available to=room-name@server/participant-nickname MUC sends back: 1. presence available from=room-name@server 2. presence available from=room-name@server/participant-nickname The second is the normal join confirmation. But the first presence I do not understand. That was not sent by older ejabberd mod_muc versions.
  267. MattJ Correct
  268. wolfspelz Problem is that the client creates a participant with empty nickname unless I filter it out, which was not necessary before.
  269. Zash Correct
  270. MattJ Zash already explained that this is so the room can advertise an avatar
  271. MattJ and that we don't like it, but it's apparently here to stay
  272. Zash This is known to trigger exactly that kind of problem in other clients, until they worked around it.
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  275. Zash I don't like this way, but previous XMPP Councils did not approve of any other way, so this is it.
  276. MattJ It crashed at least one client :)
  277. wolfspelz What means "advertiye an avatar". What do you mean by "avatar". In XMPP speak, the term "avatar" meant an image like a vcard image
  278. MattJ Yes, an image, for the room
  279. Zash I don't think this method was explicitly approved either, but if you squint at XEP-0153 just the right way it's "standard"
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  282. wolfspelz ok, I understand: an image for the room. Thats weird
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  284. Zash wolfspelz: Like this https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0153.html#example-3
  285. Zash But from=the room itself
  286. MattJ wolfspelz, see all these rooms for example: https://search.jabber.network/rooms/1
  287. Zash And as I said, users want this and complain loudly if it's not supported. And now it's pretty much too late to do anything about it until we migrate to MIX
  288. wolfspelz OK, I sse colorful "room-avatars", then so be it. may old clients die
  289. Zash What is old may never die...
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  292. wolfspelz ok, thanks a lot
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