jdev - 2021-10-24


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  95. lovetox Ge0rG, its not old, a few weeks
  96. lovetox thoug i take back the "by default"
  97. lovetox who knows what i changed in my wisdom
  98. lovetox but the option in openwrt is really bad named, i try to find it
  99. lovetox https://share.hoerist.com/philipp/QB1JMKjEDlfQGJfx/b1abc041-690c-4d7a-a7d9-403e619eadc4.png
  100. lovetox There tell me you see this option and think, No i defenitly want useless requests
  101. lovetox so i leave this unchecked
  102. lovetox turns out the useless request are not that useless
  103. lovetox thought to be fair thats not openwrt
  104. lovetox thats LUCI a webinterface for openwrt
  105. Zash Wat!
  106. Martin What are 'useless requests' in openwrt jargon translated to plain english,
  107. Martin What are 'useless requests' in openwrt jargon translated to plain english?
  108. lovetox in dnsmask config which openwrt uses there is a decade old configswitch
  109. lovetox -f, --filterwin2k Later versions of windows make periodic DNS requests which don't get sensible answers from the public DNS and can cause problems by trigger- ing dial-on-demand links. This flag turns on an option to filter such requests. The requests blocked are for records of types SOA and SRV, and type ANY where the requested name has underscores, to catch LDAP requests.
  110. lovetox this LUCI option turns this on, and filters all srv requests
  111. lovetox seems 12 years ago srv records counted as useless
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  113. lovetox sorry all srv records with underscore
  114. lovetox which xmpp uses
  115. lovetox but i doubt this is on by default, i probably activated it because it looked good, when i configured my router
  116. lovetox goes to show that you should not push buttons if you dont know what they do
  117. Zash Win2k?!
  118. lovetox yeah more like 2 decades old :D
  119. lovetox but that option is so bad named in in luci
  120. lovetox the only reason to not activate that is when you actually know the background of what it does
  121. lovetox but if Zash wouldnt have made that issue, i would probably never know that srv requests didnt work, like i wasnt impacted at all by this
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  123. selurvedu https://git.openwrt.org/?p=project/luci.git;a=blob;f=modules/luci-mod-network/htdocs/luci-static/resources/view/network/dhcp.js;h=f425bd060509167d9be4ca6b50fd1c258fe45969;hb=HEAD#l385 https://thekelleys.org.uk/gitweb/?p=dnsmasq.git;a=blob;f=dnsmasq.conf.example;hb=9560658c5ba27a370b97d30850db474ce67912b7#l38 # Note that (amongst other things) this blocks all SRV requests, # so don't use it if you use eg Kerberos, SIP, XMMP or Google-talk. Yeah.
  124. selurvedu Not that useless.
  125. selurvedu https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464357 so this was fixed in upstream in 2008, but 13 years later it's still labelled as "useless" in OpenWrt :-\
  126. Zash Things breaking SRV → admins deploying without → things continuing to break SRV
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  128. selurvedu Speaking of SRV, what level of support and adoption do direct TLS s2s connections and _xmpps-server SRV records have?
  129. Zash ejabberd seems to do it, and Daves proxy thing but the name escapes me
  130. Zash Metre
  131. Zash Prosody trunk has some partial support, in that it can set up such a listening port and check if the SRV record is correctly set up
  132. selurvedu Zash, will Prosody connect to a server via direct TLS s2s if _xmpps-server record is correctly set up?
  133. Zash No
  134. Zash That's the hard part
  135. Sam Minor weird thing that I didn't expect to cause me so much trouble: turns out pubsub items aren't directly in the IQ payload, they have a second wrapper (eg. instad of "<iq><pubsub><item1/><item2/>" you have "<iq><pubsub><items><item1/><item2/>"). Very clearly documented in the XEP, but I just kind of skipped over the extra wrapper not expecting it and took forever to track down the problem.
  136. Martin But you have something locally. Are there any issues stopping you from pushing it?
  137. Zash Making it *
  138. Zash Making it *only* use `_xmpps-server` is easy.
  139. Zash Making it use _both_ is *hard*
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  141. Martin I see.
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  143. Martin Anyway, my server was part of the first prosody - prosody direct tls s2s connection. 😃
  144. Martin updates his CV…
  145. Sam In pubsub land do you have to publish a complete XML document? If it's wrapped in <item/> could you publish <foo/><bar/> for example?
  146. Zash Sam: Yes. One child of `<item/>`, no more, no less.
  147. Sam Thanks
  148. Zash Once upon a time there was a bunch of batch processing support in XEP-0060, that's where all the seemingly extra wrapper elements comes from
  149. Sam That's what I figured; it seemed weird that there was a wrapper but then you couldn't eg. retract multiple items at once, why wrap in <items/> if it's only one item?
  150. Zash `<items/>` _can_ have multiple items
  151. Sam err, <item/> then, whatever it's called
  152. Zash But you have iq/publish/item/{foo}bar
  153. Zash https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#nt-idm45119980301424
  154. Sam Trying to follow the constraints in this document is very difficult; thanks for the help.
  155. Zash Ah, there it is: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#publisher-publish-error-badpayload > If the <item/> element does not contain exactly one payload element [...] the service MUST bounce the request with a <bad-request/> error
  156. Zash Conveniently far away from "The syntax is as follows:" https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#publisher-publish-request
  157. Sam "Ah, there it is" after some amount of time is exactly the problem I've been having :)
  158. Zash What, aren't you used to reading kleinbottle-shaped hyperdimensional documents by now? 😉
  159. Sam Alas, it's a skill I've never mastered.
  160. Zash Tho this is one of those that constantly grow new text when you're not looking, so I agree it can be a bit confusing.
  161. Sam However, after multiple attempts to get something as simple as "be able to publish and retract an item" working, I think I've finally done it. Integration tests running now, so we'll see how ejabberd handles them though.
  162. Zash Is this a client implementation?
  163. Sam Yah
  164. Zash Cool
  165. Sam Eventually it will grow a server side implementation too, but for now I just want "enough to fetch bookmarks"
  166. Zash When do we finish the XEP-0060 split?
  167. selurvedu Zash, I see, thanks. That is what I expected. I thought DTLS s2s is not supported anywhere, so I didn't configure it on my server, but since XEP-0368 mentions it, I decided to ask.
  168. Sam Excellent, ejabberd works too (for some reason it locks up the whole test suite if I try it locally, but works fine on the CI runner, so I'm never sure)
  169. selurvedu Also I stumbled upon https://code.moparisthebest.com/moparisthebest/xmpp-proxy , it looks very interesting.
  170. Zash Sam, if you don't already have https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0223.html open in parallel, might be worth to do so
  171. Zash filed https://github.com/openwrt/luci/issues/5456
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  175. Sam Another one? *sigh* thanks
  176. Zash Don't worry, it's only Informational, on use of pubsub for bookmarks and such
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  252. flow lovetox, you did not open an openwrt issue for, at least, better describing the configuration option, or maybe dropping it alltogether?
  253. flow lovetox, you did not, by chance, open an openwrt issue for, at least, better describing the configuration option, or maybe dropping it alltogether?
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  255. Zash Yes, please do
  256. Martin > Zash filed https://github.com/openwrt/luci/issues/5456 Closed already…
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