jdev - 2021-11-20


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  255. Sam Is anyone aware of a client that supports XEP-0144: Roster Item Exchange? I'd be curious how it's used.
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  257. Zash I wanna say Gajim
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  259. Zash For getting contacts from gateways abd such
  260. Sam Oh huh, thought I checked that one. I'll look again, thanks.
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  262. Sam (also that's not a use case I thought of, that's a good one)
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  264. Sam Hmm, I don't see it in the disco info, but maybe I should just find some way to try it
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  266. Sam oh yah, works fine if I send myself a constructed stanza, just not in the disco stuff. Weird.
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  269. Sam I really don't understand the data model in this XEP… the roster item has the add or delete action on it, but you can only do one thing, so that's uselessly duplicated among the items instead of being a part of the <x/> element? Or am I missing something obvious and this is intentional?
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  272. Zash Where does it say only one thing can be done?
  273. Sam in the business rules section
  274. Sam > The sending entity or sending application MUST NOT send additions, deletions, and modifications in the same <x/> element
  275. Zash Weird.
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  277. Zash There's also https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0321.html which works between the gateway and the server, for that use case.
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  282. Sam Seems more complicated (also deferred while roster item exchange is stable and in use already)
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  285. Zash Doesn't seem particularly complicated to me. Allows nicer UX. Doesn't require client support. Supported by Spectrum. Prosody with an addon module.
  286. Sam It would require client support to approve requests to manage the roster, no? Maybe I misread. If not, I dunno if I'd want the server giving permission on my behalf. I'll go read it in more depth though.
  287. Sam oh no, just support for displaying forms, got it.
  288. Sam or responding bot style.
  289. Zash Or some server-side list of known transports
  290. Sam *nods*
  291. Sam yah, I guess it's about the same. Having all the permissions stuff and giving the transport the full roster seems a bit weird, but I guess it makes sense for gateways
  292. Zash The prosody module seems to filter the roster for *@origin-component
  293. Sam That would make more sense
  294. Zash Deferredness is probably more indicative of the lack of interest in transports in the last decade or so 🙂
  295. Sam Yah, probably
  296. Sam Still, if it's a choice between something that's stable vs. something that may or may not even have an active author…
  297. Zash ``` -- mod_remote_roster -- -- This is an experimental implementation of http://jkaluza.fedorapeople.org/remote-roster.html ```
  298. Zash 😀
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