jdev - 2021-12-01


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  104. edhelas Wow fun
  105. edhelas Telegram is synchronising "in redaction" messages
  106. edhelas Basically i started to type a message on my phone and saw it appearing on desktop. So basically they sync up a draft.
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  108. Ge0rG That's actually quite a nice UX.
  109. Ge0rG I've had that situation multiple times, that I wanted to send a message from the PC enriched with a link from my phone, or to switch typing in the middle of things because typing on the PC is so much easier
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  119. edhelas I'm wondering how this could be replicated on XMPP šŸ¤”
  120. edhelas I can actually sync it in Movim easily between the different tabs :p
  121. Ge0rG edhelas: write a XEP to send message drafts as a custom element in the <message> to your own JID, implement it together with XEP-0352 to prevent constant flooding on each typed letter
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  123. edhelas why not use a pep node and store draft messages there :p
  124. edhelas with itemid = JID of the future receiver
  125. Link Mauve Implement XEP-0301!
  126. Martin > I'm wondering how this could be replicated on XMPP šŸ¤” Maybe stuff from RTT could be reused. Afair Dino has something.
  127. Ge0rG <message from="georg@yax.im/desktop" to="georg@yax.im"> <draft xmlns="urn:xmpp:message-draft" to="jdev@muc.xmpp.org"> I was thinking abo </draft> </message>
  128. Ge0rG edhelas: the big challenge is how to E2EE your drafts
  129. Martin Multi-Device Support to sync input between different instances of Dino. With this, a user can start composing a message on one device and finish on another. (Details, see here) https://wolfieanmol.github.io/gsoc-blog/support-for-multiple-devices-muc/
  130. Ge0rG Sending RTTs to the MUC might not be such a wise idea
  131. pep. Ge0rG, how e2ee your drafts? At first glance I don't see this particularly hard
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  133. Link Mauve pep., one issue could be that as you know a former draft is very likely to be a prefix of a latter one, it could weaken the encryption.
  134. pep. With OMEMO you're not sending to yourself (the same device) so that's fine. If you send to your own jid you might want to include in clear that it's a draft, or not even since you'd be able to know with the id that it comes from you..
  135. pep. hmm
  136. Link Mauve The more the attacker knows about your plain text, the more your encryption could be vulnerable.
  137. Link Mauve Although Iā€™m not aware of any such issue in current algorithms.
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  193. pulkomandy If you append some salt to the draft before encryption, you can easily make sure it's not a strict prefix
  194. pulkomandy Maybe even better to prepend some salt?
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  201. pep. There is an rpad element in SCE already. If oldmemo is used maybe it can be specified where to put that pad (and that's where I bail out, don't know much about that)
  202. Zash Nice things only being available if you move forward might help push forward nice things?
  203. pep. The endless loop of going forward(tm)
  204. Zash Something something wheels and turning.
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  264. lovetox bitlbee code comment about caps in presence
  265. lovetox it doesnt send the hash attr
  266. lovetox /* The XEP wants this hashed, but nobody's doing that. */
  267. lovetox i think they didnt really get what the xep was about
  268. lovetox ok so i get it they didnt want to hash their disco info, because it was too much work
  269. lovetox now they put in just the client version so ver=3.6.1
  270. Zash How old is that line?
  271. lovetox but obviously this is not sha-1 hash
  272. lovetox so they dont add the hash attr
  273. Zash Very very very old things don't
  274. lovetox would it still be an improvement if we add hash=sha-1?
  275. lovetox if they only change disco features between released versions, this would still work
  276. lovetox no it would not for gajim, as it hashes the disco info itself and would report it if it does not is the same
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  278. lovetox ... so i still get a warning in logs
  279. Zash https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0115.html#legacy
  280. Zash Huh, this was only done in 2007?
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  282. Zash And then we have https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0390.html
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