jdev - 2021-12-15

lovetox, I think styling in /me is fine; the thing to be aware of is 'emphasis' inside already emphasized text, which should be non-italic within italic - that should already happen, and so if /me is in italic, emphasis would appear as non-italic

https://journal.valeriansaliou.name/announcing-prose-decentralized-team-messaging/

“Jappix, the first ever Web-based XMPP client” ^^'

As if MUCkl didn’t exist long before it.

Snikket for team chat?

JWChat was another much older web client.

Even JWChat isn't the oldest, I think.

These were the two web clients I had access to, back when I started using XMPP circa 2005.

I think Chesspark might predate jwchat, and I think other things predate that as 'normal' chat clients.

At least, the two deployed over at JabberFR, a website I discovered at this time. :p

I still have my Chesspark Alpha Tester t-shirt. ;-)

Show-off ;p

:-P

IIRC jwchat emerged from Jack's work on Chesspark.

That sounds vaguely familiar.

what was the max stanza size again?

10 kb?

kB*, but correct.

It’s the minimum allowed maximum though, most servers and clients will handle a lot more.

But annoyingly enough, this doesn’t get advertised.

ok whats a lot more ballpark wise where are we ✏

10 mB?

256 KiB per stanza on c2s, 512 KiB per stanza on s2s, on both Prosody and Ejabberd.

AFAIK both Prosody and ejabberd default to 256k now

... yea what Link Mauve said

Dunno what other servers use as limits.

Writing a XEP about advertising that number to clients is on my TODO

Maybe Next Year™

What a surprise, it’s on mine too!

To clients as well as servers.

but does that really help?

Wanna collaborate/merge?

Sure, but I don’t have anything to merge just yet.

I also have a path MTU s2s thingy implementation somewhere

what does it help if i can upload 1 mb to my server, but the server cant route the stanza because the server on the other side does not allow it

Or, parts of it

Still deep in graphics code atm.

lovetox, your server then rightfully routes back an error stanza telling you the remote server rejected it.

lovetox, that XEP should probably recommend that s2s limits be higher than c2s limits, to ensure anything a client may send can be delivered

ok but that info is good enough for the moment

If the limit is known, stanzas can be bounced earlier, before they cause the whole connection to get torn down

so my websocket message limit of 131kb is acutally a problem

because usual server can send bigger messages

I’ve once received a 1.5 MiB vCard-temp from someone. ^^'

… on each connection, since that client didn’t cache it.

https://harmonyapp.io/

Protobuf is the new JSON

i wonder how many chat apps humanity will build

https://cyberdelia.com.ar:5443/upload/0f1c746271efd83f8c67ec4e2fdb1075cb88684a/KPXTUh3nHLpqhSAu6EQ4FfKndgIgih2Wtm8CVRUBTvWAix4v3NxQTqqsVBKA/uR5aF505Q1iEwqcypkhicw.jpg

lovetox: maybe that answers your question