jdev - 2021-12-20

quick question - in pubsub what should be the order of returned items/nodes in the response?

Wojtek, xep60 example 79 seems to use oldest to newest

@flow yeah, examples (even 85 in 6.5.7 for the most recent items) seems to use that order but it's not specified - correct? (and we would have "XEP-0413: Order-By" for that?)

Wojtek, is also don't find it specified in xep60 (which doesn't meant that it isn't in there ;))

I searched "order" / "oldest" / "newest" and couldn't find it nor I remember it being there hence me asking if I missing something :-) though, we still arrive at the "examples are not normative" conundrum :-)

If the text doesn't say anything, what harm will come from following the examples?

There's https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0413.html

Hi everyone , I'm a beginner and i don't know if this is the right place to ask my question, so sorry if it's not. If I wan't to use xmpp (ejabberd) in developing a social network (php). how do I connect the two in such way that when the user connects. he is logged in directly to the xmpp server (strophe ...) ?? if I have some rules on who can message who and how many contacts you can add , how do I prevent the users from using third party clients ? Anything can help , plz ! if y'all have any discord servers or something plz share! Thanks a lot ✏

there is movim what may comes most close to what you look for in terms of discord. but officially there is not

emus , thanks man, I meant if there is a discord server for xmpp/jabber dev !

> If the text doesn't say anything, what harm will come from following the examples? Harm will come from relying on other implementations following the examples

We have XMPP, why would we need Discord?

Omar, you could look at Movim for inspiration, it's basically what you describe. Social network written in PHP with an XMPP server as backend.

aah I see , thanks a lot 🙂

@Zash already mentioned it in the first message :-) and I think there is no harm in following examples, but those are non normative so there is no obligation to follow them.

https://framaforms.org/xmpp-code-forge-1639934950 I made this little form for an XMPP-specific code forge. Any project maintainer (past, present, future) who wants to answer it, please go ahead :) ✏

pep I would welcome general place for the xmpp developer *and* user community, including forge (probably gitlab), discussion venue (probably discourse) and a poll system to get an idea about what the community things (like proposed protcol changes)

and I would be happy with establishing such a thing (assuming that one can agree on a shared vision)

Maybe write that in there. I'm only gathering feedback atm to see if it's worth it

I think I'd like something like fd.o basically (in spirit, not exactly the same), but for XMPP

(Freedesktop.org)

> Do you have your own forge? would it make sense to have an option for the most basic code hosting? like hgweb, gitweb, that kind of thing?

An option where? In the survey?

Yeeees

You want a list? Can't write that in comments? :p

Too late, too lazy!

what was the fedora thing again

Thing?

forge

p..

pagure

I still fear that if we talk about a forge are unnecessarly limit the scope of what could actual be usefull

I just took one element for now. If you write that in comment, and if more write that in comments, maybe I'll do another survey with moar

Zash, I added that list!

Anyone looked into fossil? I would like to try it, maybe

Otherwise for git my preference goes to Gerrit+Trac but it's probably an unpopular opinion

And mainly because I used that for too long, and no really good reasons

I've used fossil a bit in the past. Mostly for the wiki really, not the versioning system :P

Results are public btw, and "anonymous" (no name)

For the survey

Thanks to those who already answered. I'll let it run for a week or two I guess

flow, also I'm not sure I want to take on too much just yet. Dunno how much time I'll be able to invest in it exactly

I see how having all of the things you're talking about could be useful, now I prefer to see if there is interest first

also surveys.. they're never right

did you say selection bias?

almost

does anyone have a suggestion for a software that allows me to track errors in my application which users send?

lets say there is a error, and the user can click "send error report"

may there is some web app that gathers the info and shows it with some nice UI

lovetox, Sentry is typically used for this

It's open-source and self-hostable, and there is a hosted option available

I know people who self-host it, but my attempt failed (I suspect my server did not have enough resources, but I'm not entirely sure)

ah i heard of that, thanks