jdev - 2021-12-21

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  73. pep. Got more answers on the form, thanks for answering! https://framaforms.org/xmpp-code-forge-1639934950 reminder for those who haven't seen it :)
  74. pep. Spoiler alert, it's al different answers atm
  75. pep. Spoiler alert, it's alldifferent answers atm
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  99. contrapunctus lol
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  113. jonas’ pep., the basic set of requirements misses "federation with github.com/gitlab.com"
  114. pep. Federation?
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  116. pep. There's a lot of thing that go behind this word
  117. pep. There's a lot of things that go behind this word
  118. pep. Oauth?
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  121. jonas’ OAuth at the very least, but I'm more thinking of true federation of PRs/MRs.
  122. edhelas lets make a new XEP-xxxx: GIT over XMPP
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  124. pep. jonas’: I'm not sure what that means
  125. pep. Is that a thing already?
  126. jonas’ no, it's not
  127. pep. Then I'll include it in my wish list for Christmas
  128. pep. Of course I'd like federation
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  138. msavoritias If you add gittea though they are working for federation with thn forgefed/forge friends specification
  139. jonas’ I'm sure that'll work with git{lab,hub}.com
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  173. pulkomandy How would it even work? These things all have slightly different workflows (even if you don't have CI pipelines)
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  175. pulkomandy Also, can we authenticate to this new forge using xmpp? We can assume everyone already has an account there, right?
  176. Zash Obviously never XMPP, can't have nice things you know
  177. Zash I'd guess ActivityPub
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  183. msavoritias Yeah its on top of activity pub. jonas’: with github/gitlab lock in is a feature not a bug.
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  185. contrapunctus > lets make a new XEP-xxxx: GIT over XMPP Where Mercurial fans 🙃
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  194. debacle If an application uses multiple PEP nodes with whitelist access model, is there a way to make sure, they have the same whitelist? I'm worried, that a JID is added to one PEP node, but it fails for the second one, and the application would not work because of the mismatch. Any idea?
  195. jonas’ I don't think so, unless the whitelist happens to be the roster, in which case you can use that :)
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  203. flow sounds like a job for a new XEP: pubsub allowlist as node
  204. Zash Maybe reconsider whether it should be multiple nodes?
  205. Zash I think 0084 could have used a single node and notifications without payloads instead of the data/metadata separation
  206. Zash Except for that not being part of the mandatory feature PEP subset
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  209. Zash Except for that not being part of the mandatory PEP subset of features
  210. debacle Zash I fear, that we *really* need multiple nodes for our use case. We decided against roster subscription, when we started implementation, but now I don't remember, why :-( I'm sure, it had a disadvantage, but what was it?
  211. debacle flow In the long run, that sounds like a good idea. Also for "social network" / "micro blogging". edhelas goffi to the rescue :-) For now, we will either work around the potential issues or change allowlist to roster and be bitten by whatever disadvantage that might have...
  212. Zash The actual "roster" access model (which uses roster *groups*), or the default "presence"?
  213. Zash Neither makes much sense without being tied to some user, like PEP
  214. goffi debacle: I think it could be managed with pubsub collections (XEP-0248)
  215. debacle Zash I wasn't even aware, that roster groups can be used for access.
  216. debacle goffi Is that implemented somewhere?
  217. goffi debacle: well Libervia Pubsub has an implementation inehrited from Idavoll, but unused and untested. Also I have a problem with permission management with collections for a long time, I need to make a PR and launch a discussion about that on standard@. Thus I'm mentioning it as an theorical option, but I'm not sure if this is usable in production in your case.
  218. goffi (my problem is that collection node permissions override the leaf nodes permissions)
  219. Zash Hmmm hierarchical access control lists?
  220. debacle goffi Maybe in the future, but now we need something, that can be used since two months ago ;-) Deadlines... I'll find my notes about what was wrong with roster subscription, print and burn them.
  221. goffi roster is about pubsub service roster, do you known a service which handles that? Libervia Pubsub also has a non-standard permission model to use publisher's roster, and it can be fine tuned at item level. But maybe if you can explain your use case it would be easier to find a solution.
  222. debacle goffi There is a client (= one JID) that does publish data on multiple of its PEP nodes, and some clients (= other JIDs) should be able to get that data. The data is related, so different allowlists would lead to complex error handling. I'm pretty sure, we could benefit from collection nodes at some point in the future.
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  224. goffi yeah it really smells like a perfect use case for node collections.
  225. goffi maybe check which services implement it
  226. debacle goffi I think, that I checked prosody and ejabberd back then and both were not supporting that XEP, IIRC.
  227. goffi you can't try with Libervia Pubsub, but as I've said it's not really tested. Otherwise I guess you only current option is to use separated whitelist, and make feature requests on various Pubsub Services.
  228. goffi your*
  229. goffi debacle: Idavoll (the project from which Libervia Pubsub has been forked years ago) has pubsub collections and should be easy to install. Only issue is that it is unmaintained.
  230. goffi s/you can't try/you can try/
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  246. debacle goffi We try to use something as mainstream as possible. Using XMPP instead of e.g. MQTT is already non-mainstream, of course ;-)
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  355. test1 jonas’, my client gives me the following warning
  356. test1 (jabber.fr) Avatar mismatch: jdev@muc.xmpp.org/jonas’ 26ac2f84-c7a5-4022-a178-3c0ebf53cb77 != 37cba76057638d0b0a4aaa049d0a456ac64e4e82
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  358. lovetox- sorry lovetox here :)
  359. lovetox- seems you announce a different hash then in your vcard is then found
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  373. pep. Is there something defining filters on disco#items?
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