jdev - 2021-12-31


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  9. emus Zash: yes sure
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  11. emus ist there a collection site for alle such projects?
  12. emus ist there a collection site for all such projects?
  13. Zash Wiki maybe? If not, wiki it ☺️
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  84. emus No, if not website it :/)
  85. emus No, if not website it :-)
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  183. lovetox guys if you use a password manager, write your master password down on some paper and store it with your documents somewhere in your home
  184. lovetox i nearly had a meltdown today, when i woke up, type in my password which i typed in every day for the last years, and its wrong, then i think about it for a minute, and cant remember the fucking password anymore, its just gone.
  185. Zash fireproof safety deposit box?
  186. MattJ +1
  187. lovetox then i realize whats in that password manager, like everything, ssh keys, root passwords, passwords for every fucking device in my life, TOTP keys for all the sites, of course i activated 2FA Everywhere, so now even if i know the password i cant login anymore
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  189. MattJ For a long time we told people not to write down passwords, but these days it's far less likely that your online accounts will be compromised by someone breaking into your home than forgotten, guessed or phished
  190. Zash lovetox, it doesn't happen to be lastpass? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29705957 has been mentioned in a bunch of places
  191. lovetox no i dont use a online password manager, i have a keepass xc
  192. lovetox i took me the whole day calming down, just now i sit in front of the thing again, and i type and type per muscle memory, and suddenly i realize, im off one key to the right fot the last letter
  193. Zash ah yes, the keyboard alignment error
  194. lovetox and then i found it, and im really happy, and i write my password now down, even think about exporting that content of the password manager to hard copy somehwere
  195. nephele I know that feeling of not "knowing" passwords, but only having them in muscle memory... I usually use quite complex passwords and only have them in something like a password manager to initially learn them :)
  196. pep. Also SSSS and also keep a part for yourself to make it slightly easier to get back? :/
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  199. pep. So you handle the case you're incapacitated, be it that you're alive or dead :x
  200. lovetox my laptop is encrypted with LUKS, and the password is the same as to my password manager, i googled today the whole day how to crack LUKS encryption, and how to crack KeepassXC v4 database
  201. lovetox and of course i used the newest algos on everything
  202. lovetox its basically impossible right now :D
  203. Zash haha let me tell you about the BIOS supervisor password I thought was a good idea to set on the now 3 year old laptop I bought
  204. Zash and then never used again, until I thought I'd install the extra RAM I had bought, because it's got tamper protection and a built-in battery so you have to do stuff in bios to open it up
  205. Zash still can't remember it
  206. Zash and then I spilled one drop of water into the keyboard, which promptly broke just enough keys to prevent typing any password I could think of, *AND* the disk crypto password
  207. moparisthebest lovetox, haha yes good lesson, I had the same problem unlocking the LUKS partition on my server I rarely reboot
  208. moparisthebest turns out I can only type it correctly when sitting down, not standing up and hunching over, who knew ?
  209. jonas’ lovetox, welcome back ;)
  210. jonas’ I spent one afternoon this year brute-forcing my own LUKS password
  211. jonas’ it was luckily an xkcd-horse-battery-staple-correct-style password, and I remembered three out of five words, so brute forcing it was even feasible
  212. jonas’ otherwise.... that would've turned into a pretty terrible day
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  215. lovetox yes, i had the same thought, i knew i was off by one or 2 keys
  216. lovetox i thought bruteforcing is the way to go
  217. lovetox but luks2 with kdf=aragon2i or something like that
  218. jonas’ among the forgotten words was the first one, so I couldn't trigger muscle memory
  219. lovetox its not really possible
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  221. jonas’ if you know enough bits, it is
  222. jonas’ might just take a few dozen CPU—hours
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  224. lovetox yeah but then i have to write the bruteforce myself
  225. lovetox the tools like hashcat, john the ripper, which are usually used
  226. lovetox all have no support right now for these new algos
  227. Zash how2 brute force bios password when you need the bios password to boot into DOS to run the brute force tool?
  228. Zash and you have 3 attempts before it just shuts down again
  229. lovetox yeah Zash thats a hard one
  230. lovetox but cant you flash a new bios or something?
  231. moparisthebest Zash, that becomes a screen capture + fake keyboard input excercise :P
  232. moparisthebest I'm sure the FBI has something you can use
  233. jonas’ lovetox, yeah, that was like 200 lines of python shelling out to cryptsetup luksOpen and checking the exit status
  234. jonas’ fun fact, I got the exit status check wrong the first time, which made it brute force the entire possible corpus claiming failure
  235. jonas’ ask me how I managed to not go crazy
  236. Zash declare it a loss or possibly a stationary desktop machine and buy a new laptop?
  237. Zash tho enabling all the paranoia options on something intended to be the travel laptop seemed sensible at the time
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  240. Sam Bios passwords (normally? ometimes?) have a pin you can short to reset them. I've had to do that on my laptop in the past
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  243. Zash Tamper protection wouldn't be very effective if that was possible
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  245. Zash Tamper detection wouldn't be very effective if that was possible
  246. Sam in my laptops case, tamper detection isn't very effective :)
  247. Zash All I could find was "not possible, you must replace the motherboard"
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  250. jonas’ I'm certain it is possible with sufficient determination. though that might involve de- and re-soldering some things :)
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  253. Martin In the good 'ol days unplugging the battery for a while solved everything. 🙂
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  256. nephele I also have a laptop that sais in it's documentation that the only way to remove the bios password is to replace the mainboard... that kind of forces me to set one, just so nobody picks it up and sets one i /dont/ know
  257. moparisthebest now that's some good ransomware
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