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13:33:09 lovetox
would it be a good idea to display messages from the server domain somehow different
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at the moment in gajim its a simple chat
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just with yourdomain.com
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but most of the time server send maintainence message over that jid
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so one could not treat this as a chat and display it on some kind of status page
13:34:31 lovetox
but then probably someone wrote some server module where users need to answer to such messages to do something?
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and they will complain that they cant chat with that domain jid?
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13:37:43 Zash
A server that doesn't support such messages would send you an error reply if you try.
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I'm not opposed to inventing some feature flag to indicate that the bare host JID supports messaging somehow
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Apart from that, showing messages from the server as some sort of special status messages would be nice.
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I especially like the way Poezio shows headline messages
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Also, Converse.js has some message view without an input field for things like that.
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But then things like the pubsub tui at xmpp:pubsub.prosody.im gets tricky to use, if there's no way to get the input filed back
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Zash are you saying me server dont support sending a message to the host jid?
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is there something in the standard that forbids that?
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im aware that this is not common, but as i said, someone can just invent a module for a server and receive commands over chat messages to the host jid
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and then they bug me why they cant write messages to that jid
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Not forbidden. But a server without such a module will likely just return an error if you do send something.
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movim.eu returns "No available resource found"
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what ever that means
14:10:29 lovetox
ok so what im really asking is, is anyone aware here on usecases where humans have to "chat" with the host jid like its some user
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> xmpp:pubsub.prosody.im
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maybe the cheogram bot?
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the host jid === JID without localpart?
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yes, yourdomain.com
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restricting that seems odd
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how is it odd, i just told the use case which is not odd in my opinion
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hm
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or maybe im going wrong at this, can i depend on that server send info messages as type = headline?
14:16:49 lovetox
so simpley not opening chats for that
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could make sense
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nor displaying it when a user opens a chat with the host jid
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treat 'from has no localpart && type == "headline"' as status message ✎
14:17:49 Zash
"status message" is a bit ambiguous tho
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but yeah, some sort of system message
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especially if it comes from your own domain
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observes that Snikket uses type=normal
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treat 'from has no localpart && (type == "headline" || type == "normal")' as status message ✏
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O:-)
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Opening a normal chat for a type=="chat" seems like a sensible thing tho
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and having some way to open such a chat, but I'd understand if it's hidden away in some menu
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https://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Chat/Instant-Messaging/cwtch.shtml
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Somebody called their app Cwtch. Come and tell us to our face XMPP is hard to pronounce / remember
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Apparently it's pronounced /kʊtʃ/ -- still easier than /ɛks ɛm piː piː/.
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pep., I once named mine PSĜS, I’m not one to talk. o:)
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I considered using japanese spelling for Renga, but decided to go for latin alphabet (mostly. Except the app icon)
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