jdev - 2022-02-14

  1. kikuchiyo


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  3. moparisthebest

    Impressive kikuchiyo

  4. kikuchiyo

    ^ I generated a Client Comparison Chart. XEP-0384 and 0453 itself are not well documented in the doap files. Some clients don't even have a doap description. I can update the chart, if you are a client dev and created/updated your doap doc, just reach out to me. (Some source links are still buggy)

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  7. moparisthebest

    kikuchiyo: you should share this in xsf@, if it's automated we should integrate it into xmpp.org

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  9. kikuchiyo

    moparisthebest: yes I cross posted to xmpp:commteam@muc.xmpp.org?join but I it is still buggy so I decided to move here, hoping to collect some feedback/correction.

  10. Neustradamus

    kikuchiyo: You have forgotten Psi/Psi+, Psi is an XMPP client which exists since 2001.

  11. kikuchiyo

    Neustradamus: please link the doap if you know where to find it.

  12. kikuchiyo

    ...or at least a changelog or wiki table mentioning the implemented XEPs

  13. Neustradamus

    Ah, it is not added, if there is a contributor - https://github.com/psi-im/psi/issues/120 - https://github.com/psi-im/psi/issues/595

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  15. kikuchiyo

    Neustradamus: thx I'm going to parse https://github.com/psi-im/psi/wiki/Supported-XEPs if there is no doap

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  17. moparisthebest

    Neustradamus: you should get them to make a doap file instead

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  37. contrapunctus

    kikuchiyo: 🤯️

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  111. pulkomandy

    kikuchiyo: here is the doap for Renga, it seems to be missing in your list: https://github.com/HaikuArchives/Renga/blob/master/doap.xml Thanks, it's useful to know what other clients are doing :)

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  134. kikuchiyo

    pulkomandy: thx

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  168. mathieui

    (that made me realize I forgot to update the DOAP for slixmpp & poezio in january :x)

  169. mathieui

    kikuchiyo, you could just grab the clients.json or libraries.json from the xmpp.org repo and start with the DOAP files contained therein

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  186. pulkomandy

    Is it ok if I add Haiku to the platforms.json at xmpp.org (we have at least two clients) or should I just use "Other"?

  187. pulkomandy

    (I see Solaris gets an entry, not sure which one of the two is most relevant :) )

  188. Sam

    Are the two clients already listed or supported by other things?

  189. pulkomandy

    No, they are haiku-only

  190. Sam

    (I'm just curious, I have no say in whether something gets listed or not)

  191. pulkomandy

    https://github.com/haikuarchives/renga and https://github.com/JadedCtrl/Chat-O-Matic

  192. jonas’

    pulkomandy: feel free to add haiku

  193. Sam

    Renga doesn't seem worth listing if it's archived (assuming that means little-to-no-development); chat-o-matic seems interesting, I'll take a look. Thanks!~

  194. mathieui

    Sam, it is not archived, that’s just the umbrella org

  195. mathieui

    (last commit by pulkomandy 18 hours ago :p)

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  198. pulkomandy

    I should move it out of haikuarchives, yes

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  203. Sam

    mathieui: the org specifically says "old software" in the description; but sounds like this doesn't belong either way, so that's great!

  204. pulkomandy

    But yes that github org didn't end up working the way it was intended, turns out the haiku community is so small, it's easier to have all our projects in a single place and grant the same permissions to a lot of people, rather than having projects hosted by a lot of people on their personal account

  205. pulkomandy

    I'll check with other haikuarchives people if they're fine with moving it since I pretty much adopted it

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  307. pulkomandy

    Mh… I have a crash because of a message containing an unescaped > character (possibly inside xhtml-im). Not sure because gloox crashes when I try to get a string representation of the xml for debugging, not very helpful…

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  318. jonas’

    but that is valid xml

  319. jonas’

    if it is not preceded by ]]

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  326. pulkomandy

    The message seems valid xml at gloox input, not sure what's going on

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  401. pep.

    Anybody knows where (if?) it's specified that <x xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/muc'/> be stripped by the MUC. There's no occurence of 'strip' in 0045, and too many of 'remove'

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  404. mathieui

    pep., where should it be stripped by the service?

  405. mathieui

    MUC presence is usually adding the <x/> instead, and MUC messages do not have that element, private messages do but you don’t want to strip it there

  406. pep.

    There's a <x/> in the join presence, with a possible <password/> and <history/>. I heard that it was stripped, I was just trying to confirm

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  408. mathieui

    Well, the join presence is mostly processed and rewritten I guess, instead of being transformed

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  411. Link Mauve

    TIL, a GC 1.0 join to a non-existing room still creates the room with the default configuration, instead of locking it.

  412. Link Mauve

    Second paragraph of section 10.

  413. Zash

    Hush, don't tell anyone, just quietly submit a PR to remove GC 1.0!

  414. Sam


  415. Link Mauve


  416. mathieui

    don’t make me read 0045 again and discover new stuff I don’t want to know

  417. pep.

    Y(esterday)IL https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#example-196

  418. pep.

    (or the day before, but it's not important, is it)

  419. mathieui

    pep., I did not want to know

  420. pep.

    Too late.

  421. mathieui

    (I read it twice thinking "what’s wrong here?" "oh, <message/>")

  422. Link Mauve

    “because members-only rooms are relatively rare”, [citation needed]

  423. pep.

    -- 2011

  424. pep.

    Since the model was IRC..

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  426. Link Mauve

    Zash, Sam, https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1163

  427. Sam

    Oh nice, thanks. I thought I remembered starting this once and it having a bunch of references and things that had to be untangled so I gave up; guess I was misremembering

  428. pep.

    hmm, has anybody ever checked that linked examples still correspond to what they were intended to mean? Since remove an example in the referred XEP renumbers them.

  429. pep.

    hmm, has anybody ever checked that linked examples still correspond to what they were intended to mean? Since removing an example in the referred XEP renumbers them.

  430. Zash

    Hm, referencesfrom where?

  431. Zash

    Hm, references from where?

  432. pep.

    In XEPs

  433. pep.

    Are but examples "are not normative"..

  434. pep.

    Ah but examples "are not normative"..

  435. Link Mauve

    XEPs shouldn’t reference examples but sections.

  436. Link Mauve

    And sections should get a proper anchor.

  437. pep.

    Yeah yeah..

  438. pep.

    Even though everybody only read examples

  439. moparisthebest

    Maybe we should reverse the rule, start writing xeps where the examples are normative but the text is not!

  440. Sam

    Does anyone know sqlite very well? This is what I would assume is a good normalized way to store disco/caps, but I don't know sqlite specific quirks. Will this work or are there some other optimizations I should be doing? https://gist.github.com/SamWhited/4ff23875aca4ea594287c012ab840c99

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  450. Link Mauve

    Example 177, 191 and 196 are the only ones to use message.

  451. pep.

    hmm, and there's normative text above all of them

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