jdev - 2022-03-10


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  176. Guus Is there someone here that has experience with XMPPFramework ? Specifically: how does one determine that a MUC room join failed because that room is locked?
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  213. Guus sonny: am I right to say that there is no MUC-specific support in xmpp.js?
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  281. moparisthebest like python but think it should just be a little worse? https://github.com/ZeroIntensity/pointers.py
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  286. Link Mauve moparisthebest, ctypes is already a thing in Python.
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  289. jonas’ moparisthebest, oh, is this a follow up to http://entrian.com/goto/
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  295. moparisthebest jonas’, ha that's great
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  298. jonas’ you think
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  402. kikuchiyo sonny: XEP-0065 (SOCKS5 Bytestreams) and XEP-0160 (Best Practices for Handling Offline Messages) are tested by https://compliance.conversations.im/ but not mentioned in the Compliance Suite 2022 (XEP-0459)? Are they obsolete, or could they be added to XEP-0459?
  403. sonny Guus, correct - xmpp.js doesn't provide abstractions but some people have made "plugins"
  404. Zash kikuchiyo, the _Conversations_ compliance tester doesn't necessarily have any relation to do with the XMPP Compliance Suites
  405. kikuchiyo Zash: Ok, so it shouldn't be part of xep-0459?
  406. kikuchiyo Another question: XEP-0114: Jabber Component Protocol is mentioned by the Compliance Suite 2022 (XEP-0459), but only for servers. Is this really something a client can implement (http://eyecu.ru/?page=xmpp)?
  407. moparisthebest no only servers
  408. kikuchiyo moparisthebest: thx
  409. sonny kikuchiyo, it's too late now but you should suggest it for Compliance Suite 2023
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  411. moparisthebest yikes I wouldn't recommend that ever, it serves downloads over http ????
  412. moparisthebest checks date
  413. moparisthebest sorry it's not 1998 anymore this isn't acceptable
  414. kikuchiyo Neustradamus: Since jappix is feature rich I would like to include it in my XMPP client comparison chart, even if the project is no longer maintained. I guess it is impossible to implement XEP-0206 (XMPP Over BOSH) without XEP-0124 (BOSH)? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was just forgotten wasn't it? https://raw.githubusercontent.com/jappix/jappix/master/PROTOCOL.md
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  426. Guus Thanks Sonny.
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  430. qy kikuchiyo: isn't one clientside and one serverside?
  431. kikuchiyo qy: idk which one is clientside?
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  433. qy kikuchiyo: They're both serverside, and 0124 isnt implemented
  434. qy Prosody impls 206
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  436. sonny kikuchiyo, correct - XEP-0124 is required for XEP-0206 I don't think it's worth mentioning it in a chart/comparaison
  437. qy https://linkmauve.fr/extensions/xep-0206.html https://linkmauve.fr/extensions/xep-0124.html
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  439. qy sonny: (?)
  440. sonny qy, did I say something wrong?
  441. kikuchiyo > kikuchiyo, correct - XEP-0124 is required for XEP-0206 > I don't think it's worth mentioning it in a chart/comparaison Both are documented by many clients, except for jappix, that's why I was wondering.
  442. qy sonny: those linkmauve.fr links seem to contradict you, but i have no idea beyond that
  443. Link Mauve qy, the type column means this particular software is a server.
  444. qy Yeah
  445. Link Mauve If you pick another popular XEP, such as https://linkmauve.fr/extensions/xep-0045.html, you’ll see it’s implemented by libraries, clients and servers alike.
  446. qy Oh, right
  447. Link Mauve Speaking of which, slixmpp does support components I think.
  448. qy Ok
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  450. Link Mauve Ah no, you linked BOSH, my bad.
  451. Link Mauve BOSH is a protocol to be implemented by both servers and clients which want to go through HTTP.
  452. qy So it is both, fair
  453. qy Lack of clients made me think server-only
  454. Link Mauve Gajim used to implement it for instance, but the removed it in favour of WebSocket.
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  456. Link Mauve qy, this list is just very out of date, I should just finish the thing and publish it on xmpp.org.
  457. qy :D
  458. kikuchiyo > Speaking of which, slixmpp does support components I think. Not according to the doap.
  459. Link Mauve Should be fixed probably.
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  538. kikuchiyo I'm making progress with my chart, but I need some help. Please have a look and tell me which XEPs can/need to be implemented *server side*? I already looked through the implementations of prosody, ejabbered, tigase and openfire. But I'm sure there are future and past XEPs which are not covered by this method.
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  540. kikuchiyo https://upload.magicbroccoli.de/a11cd1c5c3316374c6cd412dcf2dff134e54e8d1/JU34hgfXRN08MPes59B4g3aDck7y9u1Fehrh265n/UWcJDu4QS7a5wX05ipkAbA.pdf
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  547. qy kikuchiyo: As ever, that chart is so awesome. Kinda wish i had a html version though, since its huge for a pdf
  548. qy Up to you though, thats already insane work
  549. qy Thanks for your service 😌
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