jdev - 2022-03-13

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  119. edhelas Who is planning to implement 0461 ?
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  131. pep. edhelas: there's already https://fosstodon.org/@polynomdivision/107921082993522502 apparently
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  141. lovetox moparisthebest, what is now the prefered solution for websocket?
  142. lovetox should i remove it completely?
  143. lovetox is there a use case for desktop clients?
  144. lovetox i originally replaced bosh with it
  145. lovetox but i ask myself now if there is a situation where you would want to use websocket instead of tcp on a desktop
  146. Link Mauve lovetox, when you have a really bad firewall on your network usually.
  147. Link Mauve Or when the server only has that configured.
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  149. lovetox the firewall thing is stated often, but im not particular inclined to provide a software for people that circumvent their work enviroments
  150. Link Mauve lovetox, the preferred solution for discovering WebSocket (and BOSH) endpoints is to follow the HTTP workflow of XEP-0156.
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  152. Link Mauve It’s not just work, it’s also airports, schools, universities, some cafés.
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  157. lovetox Link Mauve, why you disabled websocket on jabber.fr?
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  160. Link Mauve Oh did we?
  161. Link Mauve IIRC there was an issue with some version of Converse, which started preferring it to BOSH, and I didn’t have time to investigate.
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  163. Link Mauve At the time, BOSH was generally better than WebSocket, now that XEP-0198 can be done over WebSocket it’s probably the opposite..
  164. Link Mauve At the time, BOSH was generally better than WebSocket, now that XEP-0198 can be done over WebSocket it’s probably the opposite.
  165. Link Mauve Do you do 0198 in that case?
  166. Link Mauve It would be better if this /.well-known/host-meta had a way to tell clients about preferences, but alas the web always has to reinvent SRV poorly…
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  168. Link Mauve Converse doesn’t seem to notice websocket being blocked by CSP.
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  170. lovetox CSP?
  171. lovetox i mean in your hostmeta file websocket is commented out
  172. lovetox meaning i have no way of testing my code :)
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  174. Zash Content-Security-Policy, a browser thing
  175. lovetox yes i do 0198 over websocket
  176. lovetox is this useless?
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  178. lovetox because we always know if a message reached the server?
  179. Zash No, 198 is good
  180. Zash The thing is that BOSH has equivalent functionality built in, so WS needs 198 to be comparable
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  185. Link Mauve lovetox, it isn’t commented out any longer, but also still not working.
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  188. lovetox k thanks, yeah its enough for me to retrieve the uri from somewhere
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  196. Link Mauve Heh, module:list() | grep websocket → *crickets*
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  198. Link Mauve But since we haven’t updated since the previous CVE, I won’t enable it today.
  199. Link Mauve lovetox, I will comment it out again in the host-meta, unless you want to continue debugging.
  200. Link Mauve I will uncomment it once we are ready to reboot the server for upgrades.
  201. lovetox hm would be cool if you could leave it until tomorrow
  202. lovetox im just finishing the code
  203. Link Mauve That prevents our web users from being able to connect at all. :/
  204. Link Mauve Couldn’t you pick any of the other correctly-configured servers here? https://compliance.conversations.im/test/xep0156/
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  210. lovetox no, your users can wait till tomorrow
  211. lovetox :) of course then comment it out, i take another server
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  238. moparisthebest lovetox: websocket is valuable, just needs looked up via host-meta, and I'd probably suggest standardizing on host-meta json, it's in the RFC
  239. moparisthebest In fact I'm going to propose an update to '156 saying that...
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  270. lovetox but thats to late
  271. lovetox now everyone implemented updated it and probably everybody uses whats in the xep the xml
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  273. lovetox just leave it at that
  274. lovetox as this are xmpp clients, all software deals with xml anyway
  275. lovetox i dont even know why there is a second solution here
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  278. moparisthebest lovetox: because it's in the host-meta RFC
  279. lovetox ?
  280. moparisthebest And all XMPP clients should be doing posh anyway which is json only
  281. lovetox and its also in the XEp
  282. lovetox why do you need to standardize on json
  283. moparisthebest The json representation is in the host-meta RFC too I mean
  284. lovetox ok you mean thats why its in the XEP
  285. moparisthebest It makes sense to standardize on one instead of always grab both
  286. lovetox but it does not explain why you want to remove the xml represantation
  287. Link Mauve moparisthebest, no need to fetch both, as the XRD version is required to be present.
  288. lovetox moparisthebest, we dont need to grab both, because one is optional and the other not currently
  289. moparisthebest And fun fact: the example XML in the host-meta RFC is invalid according to the XRD spec, it doesn't validate
  290. lovetox if you change this now, THEN we definitly need to grab both
  291. moparisthebest You already have to grab both, I'd like to strongly recommend only grabbing the json
  292. lovetox no
  293. lovetox json is optional
  294. moparisthebest Also the XRD spec website has a "always valid look to the latest xsd" that returns 404 lol
  295. moparisthebest Also the XRD spec website has a "always valid link to the latest xsd" that returns 404 lol
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