jdev - 2022-04-29


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  117. Martin Played a bit with the rpad generation: go build . && journalctl -f|./go-sendxmpp -i --ox JID1 JID2
  118. Martin message length: 122
  119. Martin rapd length: 78
  120. Martin rpad: /MjJz/2Nv+XNCU1&!f,cB)-?lVUduWWKRSVWq173Xh1jkiPn(-bXA/WZd+gM3L+Q$n5Ym%+3)j,3sb
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  123. Martin rpad: Wh1a!__?2zC3f8§h(cgQngmjYTpTq)FPIxUA)vRklcFZNUJn/Y.$ztFx3=m3y;(ZR&AqibI=0a/,Tf
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  129. Martin rpad: 7K790T
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  135. Martin rpad: %XB+Dhv.DeGF4yzyEng(Iw/dD.(XHO4REvo5rTA57FX;VN+ceOdBizf_)Oq6Pdas;OG?OqRanz2oE0&lMJbV1WZa§9thvEJ?F
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  147. Martin Meh
  148. Martin Copy paste error. Mea culpa.
  149. Martin I wanted to paste just https://paste.debian.net/1239385/
  150. Martin ;-(
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  208. flow Martin, I am courious oabout the "journalctl" in the command line. what's its purpose?
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  210. Martin Just providing me some input.
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  212. Martin journalctl -f just shows you the 'syslog'.
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  367. nephele I don't suppose XMPP has an equivalent to Threemas way of acknowledging or rejecting messages? (That is, the thumbs up down stuff on messgaes, a /very/ explicit kind of "I read this" marker that only is send on user interation)
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  370. nephele It's very neat to me to use this instead of read markers, since it shows me which messages my conversation partner has acknowledged instead of just "happened to have the chat open" or any other heuristic scenarios that may cause the client to send the read marker
  371. lovetox yes the protocol exists, but nobody implements it
  372. Zash and if someone implements it, it's not merged yet
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  375. Zash and if it is, it's behind a feature flag
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  377. nephele Well, I can implement it :D... If i know which XEP it is... don't think Renga has any feature flags whatsoever
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  379. Zash https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0444.html is the latest I think
  380. nephele (Funny, also... I can use a keyboard with Siskin IM but not send messages, only adds newlines. Still have to press the button manually :/)
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  385. nephele I am very confused by that XEP, what does it mean with the reaction contains an emoji? Is unicode mathematical symbols illegal? Is it only allowed to send a single character? What about combining characters? It's very vague to me I'm also unsure of why this is even tied to emoji in the first place
  386. Zash Because that's how it's usually used in other things
  387. nephele In matrix they also tried to do "with emoji" but in practice because of their validation rules it is perfectly valid to "react" with "Have you ever heard of the tragedy of darth plageius the wise?" to messages, i suppose this is similar?
  388. Zash Odd to have such restrictions in the protocol I guess. Why couldn't I react with "lol" ?
  389. nephele Zash: atleast the Threema case above has nothing to do with emoji, it only serves to show "I acked this" or "I reject this" pretty much
  390. Zash UI/UX considerations in network protocols is weird 🤷️
  391. nephele What do you mean by that?
  392. nephele If i want to assign a meaning to a message surely the protocol has to know so clients can be sure that the meaning exists? If i just interpret random stuff to mean "they probably ment this as an ack" that is not that usefull for interopability i would think?
  393. Zash I mean I think it is can out of place for a network protocol specification to dictate things that belongs in high level application design
  394. Zash If you want a protocol exactly for your Threema use case, then you might need to write a XEP
  395. Zash Hm
  396. Zash Actually, there's one
  397. nephele Well, why specify reactions in the first place then? Is it any different from any other message referencing another message?
  398. Zash https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0333.html had something about explicit acknowledgement
  399. Zash I thought we were going to delete that tho
  400. Zash nephele, we don't have that either
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  402. Zash or, we have 3 different XEPs nobody implements for other kinds of references
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  404. nephele Well, matrix went with specifying reactions /AND/ replies, incompatibly... I hope we can avoid that mess :P
  405. Zash what is a reaction if not a compact way to display a reply?
  406. nephele I Suppose I can implement the reaction thing, but ignore the "only emoji" part and treat it as a string? I don't see how I would realistically validate input to be emoji only...
  407. nephele I think reactions and replies are essentially the same thing, just rendered a bit differently
  408. Zash Complications like this might be why 0444 isn't 03xx something
  409. nephele do the XEP numbers have meaning?
  410. Zash No
  411. Zash Assigned mostly serial by the XEP Editor
  412. nephele ah
  413. Zash Like RFCs
  414. Zash I meant in that why 0444 wasn't published much earlier, ie with a lower number
  415. nephele Ah, that makes sense
  416. Zash see also https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0372.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0367.html
  417. Zash oh, and https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0461.html
  418. Zash right, so we actually have something like emails In-Reply-To now
  419. nephele I'm getting the feeling that xmpp has its own "This is terrible, we need one standard to unify them all!" situatuion with XEPs
  420. Zash Yes.
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