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lovetox
how can it be that in decades of xmpp, we still dont have a mechanism to search some service with paged results
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Zash
Talking about `disco#items` + RSM?
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lovetox
is this a xep?
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lovetox
or xep 0055, also has no paging
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Zash
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0059.html has example use with 0055 even
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lovetox
oh thats nice
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Zash
Whether this is implemented and deployed, I have no idea.
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Zash
Didn't we discuss the difficulty in determining which combinations of other XEPs and RSM were available a while ago?
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and https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/disco-feature-attachment.html
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pep.
Something like pubsub#rsm, the 'rsm' feature not meaning much by itself
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lovetox
hm its just important for me that the spec exists
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lovetox
if a user complains that his client locks up because the server spams us with 5000 entries
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lovetox
i guess i point them to the server project to complain
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lovetox
:D
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Zash
How many entries fit in the common stanza limit?
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Which number did the newer MUC search have again?
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Zash
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0433.html
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pep.
Well you could avoid querying that many results if you could know you won't be able to do rsm. If it were the case I'd blame gajim not the server
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Zash
does this mandate RSM?
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pep.
(or you could tell the user beforehand)
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debacle
I see, that my PEP node uses type "headline" for its messages. I don't have a problem with that, but I wonder, if other types would make any difference?
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pep.
debacle, that's for notifications
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Zash
debacle, pubsub#notification_type is a thing you can search xep0060 for
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Zash
_transient_ notifications, where you don't care about storage ✎
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Zash
_transient_ notifications, where you don't care about storage (in the receiving users's archive) ✏
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lovetox
i guess nobody implements the channel search
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Zash
client? search.jabber.network does it, but it also has a HTTP variant which might be better for privacy
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lovetox
yeah jabber.network is fine for global search
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lovetox
what im trying currently to solve is local muc search
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Zash
I once started on a very basic implementation of xep-0433 for local MUC search. Don't think it has RSM tho, but I would have to go check.
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Zash
Oh, no, it's based on the protoXEP 🙁
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lovetox
i dont instantly see what the advantage over 0055 is
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the advantage is not having to deal with `<reported>` like in https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0055.html#example-9
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lovetox
and a nice feature is the "types" field
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lovetox
this allows the client for example to query matrix / muc / irc room via the same endpoint
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lovetox
Maranda, ^ i want to make local muc search better, but especially with servers like yours which offers matrix bridge for example thats also searchable this xep would be a much better fit than xep-0055
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Maranda
which one?
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lovetox
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0433.html
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Maranda
🤔
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lovetox
notice the types field, which should be implemented on server side, to show all queryable muc services
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lovetox
and of coruse RSM is a must
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Maranda
Implementing RSM pagination is rather complex but I'll have a look
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Zash
Might get weird if you don't have a stable order to go by
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debacle
pep. Zash I see, thanks! The only alternative to `headline` is `normal`, but the former is just fine for me, because "most existing server implementations will prevent offline storage", according to XEP-0060.
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Zash
Other types might make sense for certain applications.
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