jdev - 2022-05-28


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  247. lovetox how can it be that in decades of xmpp, we still dont have a mechanism to search some service with paged results
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  249. Zash Talking about `disco#items` + RSM?
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  252. lovetox is this a xep?
  253. lovetox or xep 0055, also has no paging
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  255. Zash https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0059.html has example use with 0055 even
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  260. lovetox oh thats nice
  261. Zash Whether this is implemented and deployed, I have no idea.
  262. Zash Didn't we discuss the difficulty in determining which combinations of other XEPs and RSM were available a while ago?
  263. Zash and https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/disco-feature-attachment.html
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  267. pep. Something like pubsub#rsm, the 'rsm' feature not meaning much by itself
  268. lovetox hm its just important for me that the spec exists
  269. lovetox if a user complains that his client locks up because the server spams us with 5000 entries
  270. lovetox i guess i point them to the server project to complain
  271. lovetox :D
  272. Zash How many entries fit in the common stanza limit?
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  276. Zash Which number did the newer MUC search have again?
  277. Zash https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0433.html
  278. pep. Well you could avoid querying that many results if you could know you won't be able to do rsm. If it were the case I'd blame gajim not the server
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  280. Zash does this mandate RSM?
  281. pep. (or you could tell the user beforehand)
  282. debacle I see, that my PEP node uses type "headline" for its messages. I don't have a problem with that, but I wonder, if other types would make any difference?
  283. pep. debacle, that's for notifications
  284. Zash debacle, pubsub#notification_type is a thing you can search xep0060 for
  285. Zash _transient_ notifications, where you don't care about storage
  286. Zash _transient_ notifications, where you don't care about storage (in the receiving users's archive)
  287. lovetox i guess nobody implements the channel search
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  289. Zash client? search.jabber.network does it, but it also has a HTTP variant which might be better for privacy
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  330. lovetox yeah jabber.network is fine for global search
  331. lovetox what im trying currently to solve is local muc search
  332. Zash I once started on a very basic implementation of xep-0433 for local MUC search. Don't think it has RSM tho, but I would have to go check.
  333. Zash Oh, no, it's based on the protoXEP 🙁
  334. lovetox i dont instantly see what the advantage over 0055 is
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  336. Zash the advantage is not having to deal with `<reported>` like in https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0055.html#example-9
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  339. lovetox and a nice feature is the "types" field
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  341. lovetox this allows the client for example to query matrix / muc / irc room via the same endpoint
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  343. lovetox Maranda, ^ i want to make local muc search better, but especially with servers like yours which offers matrix bridge for example thats also searchable this xep would be a much better fit than xep-0055
  344. Maranda which one?
  345. lovetox https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0433.html
  346. Maranda 🤔
  347. lovetox notice the types field, which should be implemented on server side, to show all queryable muc services
  348. lovetox and of coruse RSM is a must
  349. Maranda Implementing RSM pagination is rather complex but I'll have a look
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  354. Zash Might get weird if you don't have a stable order to go by
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  359. debacle pep. Zash I see, thanks! The only alternative to `headline` is `normal`, but the former is just fine for me, because "most existing server implementations will prevent offline storage", according to XEP-0060.
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  365. Zash Other types might make sense for certain applications.
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