jdev - 2022-06-09

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  278. msavoritias

    There was a question about removing the back of telegram and keeping just the ui. Replacing it with xmpp. Lets say i am interested in somethenp like that: Lets say you removed the telegram part. What library would you replace it with? For xmpp support. Like i am looking maybe something starting in kotlin maybe. Since it has more support and such. Would conversations be able to be split back and front and "glue" it to a UI? Or is there some other library Besides the tigase kotlin library which i am definetily interested in I just dont want to reimplement the whole world. Just the front :) Or would you say not to bother and go to some java project like blabber and help 🤔

  279. msavoritias

    Im a begginer programmer so no idea what would be easier. Famous last words :P

  280. moparisthebest

    msavoritias: is it in kotlin now or Java or what?

  281. msavoritias

    Nowhere just starting

  282. msavoritias

    Just learning actually 😁

  283. msavoritias

    I just would like to start implementing all of xmpp or make my life harder

  284. msavoritias

    I just would not like to start implementing all of xmpp or make my life harder

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  286. moparisthebest

    msavoritias: I mean if you want to use the existing UI and replace the backend what's the existing UI written in?

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  290. msavoritias

    For conversations its java. I was thinking to create a new UI in kotlin though. Since i have heard its more supported in android. 🤷‍♂️

  291. msavoritias

    Telegram is also java

  292. msavoritias

    With everything moving to kotlin i was thinking it would be better to go straight to kotlin.

  293. pulkomandy

    depends which Telegram you mean

  294. pulkomandy

    Telegram Desktop is in C++/Qt

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  298. msavoritias

    The android one

  299. edhelas

    So basically you're taking a plane and replacing the engine by changing the technology

  300. lovetox

    msavoritias, choose an existing project that you like and start contributing

  301. edhelas

    Sorry, but to me it looks like a bad idea

  302. msavoritias

    edhelas: that was the idea from the guy yeah. Personally i think its faster to write a new one

  303. lovetox

    the pros are you have actually a userbase from the start

  304. edhelas

    Better rebuild the thing from XMPP and "make it look like" Telegram desktop

  305. msavoritias

    Just wondering if it should java or kotlin

  306. msavoritias

    If its java i would just contribute to blabber maybe

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  310. msavoritias

    A lot of the courses i saw were also in kotlin for android. So im like is it worth to still learn java today

  311. Zash

    Less talk, more https://github.com/DrKLO/Telegram/fork ?

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  315. msavoritias

    So basically my question is: If you start android development tomorrow (again or not). Would you go with java or kotlin

  316. Ge0rG

    clearly kotlin

  317. Schimon

    > edhelas: > 2022-06-09 08:23 (GMT+03:00) > Sorry, but to me it looks like a bad idea It's a temporary idea that may last for several years

  318. Schimon

    > edhelas: > 2022-06-09 08:24 (GMT+03:00) > Better rebuild the thing from XMPP and "make it look like" Telegram desktop Good idea. Even better!

  319. Ge0rG

    msavoritias: you will need to know java anyway, to understand the libraries that you use

  320. Schimon

    FYI, imI'm focusing on both clients, mobile and desktop

  321. Schimon

    FYI, I'm focusing on both clients, mobile and desktop

  322. msavoritias

    Ge0rG: what libraries do you have in mind for xmpp? Is it feasible to "extract" the back of conversations and use it?

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  324. msavoritias

    I know of the tigase kotlin xmpp

  325. msavoritias


  326. Ge0rG

    msavoritias: Conversations wasn't using a library back then, I'm not sure if it was refactored enough to warrant such an approach. The go-to Java XMPP client library is Smack

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  331. msavoritias

    Ge0rG: thank you :) I will check this and tigase

  332. msavoritias

    But yeah my fear was that it would be too much work/pointless to seperate conversations from the ui

  333. msavoritias

    But yeah my fear was that it would be too much work/pointless to seperate conversations back from front

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  345. pulkomandy

    But doing the same on Telegram side would be ok?

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  364. msavoritias

    Nah. That would be hard too i think

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