jdev - 2022-06-09

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  278. msavoritias There was a question about removing the back of telegram and keeping just the ui. Replacing it with xmpp. Lets say i am interested in somethenp like that: Lets say you removed the telegram part. What library would you replace it with? For xmpp support. Like i am looking maybe something starting in kotlin maybe. Since it has more support and such. Would conversations be able to be split back and front and "glue" it to a UI? Or is there some other library Besides the tigase kotlin library which i am definetily interested in I just dont want to reimplement the whole world. Just the front :) Or would you say not to bother and go to some java project like blabber and help 🤔
  279. msavoritias Im a begginer programmer so no idea what would be easier. Famous last words :P
  280. moparisthebest msavoritias: is it in kotlin now or Java or what?
  281. msavoritias Nowhere just starting
  282. msavoritias Just learning actually 😁
  283. msavoritias I just would like to start implementing all of xmpp or make my life harder
  284. msavoritias I just would not like to start implementing all of xmpp or make my life harder
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  286. moparisthebest msavoritias: I mean if you want to use the existing UI and replace the backend what's the existing UI written in?
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  290. msavoritias For conversations its java. I was thinking to create a new UI in kotlin though. Since i have heard its more supported in android. 🤷‍♂️
  291. msavoritias Telegram is also java
  292. msavoritias With everything moving to kotlin i was thinking it would be better to go straight to kotlin.
  293. pulkomandy depends which Telegram you mean
  294. pulkomandy Telegram Desktop is in C++/Qt
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  298. msavoritias The android one
  299. edhelas So basically you're taking a plane and replacing the engine by changing the technology
  300. lovetox msavoritias, choose an existing project that you like and start contributing
  301. edhelas Sorry, but to me it looks like a bad idea
  302. msavoritias edhelas: that was the idea from the guy yeah. Personally i think its faster to write a new one
  303. lovetox the pros are you have actually a userbase from the start
  304. edhelas Better rebuild the thing from XMPP and "make it look like" Telegram desktop
  305. msavoritias Just wondering if it should java or kotlin
  306. msavoritias If its java i would just contribute to blabber maybe
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  310. msavoritias A lot of the courses i saw were also in kotlin for android. So im like is it worth to still learn java today
  311. Zash Less talk, more https://github.com/DrKLO/Telegram/fork ?
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  315. msavoritias So basically my question is: If you start android development tomorrow (again or not). Would you go with java or kotlin
  316. Ge0rG clearly kotlin
  317. Schimon > edhelas: > 2022-06-09 08:23 (GMT+03:00) > Sorry, but to me it looks like a bad idea It's a temporary idea that may last for several years
  318. Schimon > edhelas: > 2022-06-09 08:24 (GMT+03:00) > Better rebuild the thing from XMPP and "make it look like" Telegram desktop Good idea. Even better!
  319. Ge0rG msavoritias: you will need to know java anyway, to understand the libraries that you use
  320. Schimon FYI, imI'm focusing on both clients, mobile and desktop
  321. Schimon FYI, I'm focusing on both clients, mobile and desktop
  322. msavoritias Ge0rG: what libraries do you have in mind for xmpp? Is it feasible to "extract" the back of conversations and use it?
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  324. msavoritias I know of the tigase kotlin xmpp
  325. msavoritias library*
  326. Ge0rG msavoritias: Conversations wasn't using a library back then, I'm not sure if it was refactored enough to warrant such an approach. The go-to Java XMPP client library is Smack
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  331. msavoritias Ge0rG: thank you :) I will check this and tigase
  332. msavoritias But yeah my fear was that it would be too much work/pointless to seperate conversations from the ui
  333. msavoritias But yeah my fear was that it would be too much work/pointless to seperate conversations back from front
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  345. pulkomandy But doing the same on Telegram side would be ok?
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  364. msavoritias Nah. That would be hard too i think
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