jdev - 2022-06-09

There was a question about removing the back of telegram and keeping just the ui. Replacing it with xmpp. Lets say i am interested in somethenp like that: Lets say you removed the telegram part. What library would you replace it with? For xmpp support. Like i am looking maybe something starting in kotlin maybe. Since it has more support and such. Would conversations be able to be split back and front and "glue" it to a UI? Or is there some other library Besides the tigase kotlin library which i am definetily interested in I just dont want to reimplement the whole world. Just the front :) Or would you say not to bother and go to some java project like blabber and help 🤔

Im a begginer programmer so no idea what would be easier. Famous last words :P

msavoritias: is it in kotlin now or Java or what?

Nowhere just starting

Just learning actually 😁

I just would not like to start implementing all of xmpp or make my life harder ✏

msavoritias: I mean if you want to use the existing UI and replace the backend what's the existing UI written in?

For conversations its java. I was thinking to create a new UI in kotlin though. Since i have heard its more supported in android. 🤷‍♂️

Telegram is also java

With everything moving to kotlin i was thinking it would be better to go straight to kotlin.

depends which Telegram you mean

Telegram Desktop is in C++/Qt

The android one

So basically you're taking a plane and replacing the engine by changing the technology

msavoritias, choose an existing project that you like and start contributing

Sorry, but to me it looks like a bad idea

edhelas: that was the idea from the guy yeah. Personally i think its faster to write a new one

the pros are you have actually a userbase from the start

Better rebuild the thing from XMPP and "make it look like" Telegram desktop

Just wondering if it should java or kotlin

If its java i would just contribute to blabber maybe

A lot of the courses i saw were also in kotlin for android. So im like is it worth to still learn java today

Less talk, more https://github.com/DrKLO/Telegram/fork ?

So basically my question is: If you start android development tomorrow (again or not). Would you go with java or kotlin

clearly kotlin

> edhelas: > 2022-06-09 08:23 (GMT+03:00) > Sorry, but to me it looks like a bad idea It's a temporary idea that may last for several years

> edhelas: > 2022-06-09 08:24 (GMT+03:00) > Better rebuild the thing from XMPP and "make it look like" Telegram desktop Good idea. Even better!

msavoritias: you will need to know java anyway, to understand the libraries that you use

FYI, I'm focusing on both clients, mobile and desktop ✏

Ge0rG: what libraries do you have in mind for xmpp? Is it feasible to "extract" the back of conversations and use it?

I know of the tigase kotlin xmpp

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msavoritias: Conversations wasn't using a library back then, I'm not sure if it was refactored enough to warrant such an approach. The go-to Java XMPP client library is Smack

Ge0rG: thank you :) I will check this and tigase

But yeah my fear was that it would be too much work/pointless to seperate conversations back from front ✏

But doing the same on Telegram side would be ok?

Nah. That would be hard too i think