jdev - 2022-06-20


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  381. lovetox one of the more weird things is that server put requested mam messages into offline storage
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  383. lovetox was there not a possibility to turn that off?
  384. lovetox something to clear the offline cache on connect or something
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  403. jcbrand I have a question for client developers. How seriously do you take service discovery? Do you always check for support, or do you sometimes YOLO? I'm specifically thinking of carbons. So far, I didn't check for carbons support and just always sent the IQ. I know am thinking of checking for support first, but I wonder if that might cause breakage.
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  405. jcbrand I have a question for client developers. How seriously do you take service discovery? Do you always check for support, or do you sometimes YOLO? I'm specifically thinking of carbons. So far, I didn't check for carbons support and just always sent the IQ. I now am thinking of checking for support first, but I wonder if that might cause breakage.
  406. jonas’ checking for support has the advantage that you don't have to rely on the service sending an understandable error back in case it doesn't support it
  407. jonas’ for server features, I usually do discovery; for client features, I don't care (as I can't know which client I'll be talking to anyway, thinking carbons and MAM)
  408. Zash Can't you cache disco#info and thus checking should normally be a check without roundtrip?
  409. jonas’ yup
  410. jcbrand I'm more worried about some servers not advertising support but indeed supporting carbons. I guess that's a bit silly
  411. jcbrand And I then don't enable carbons and then get bug reports
  412. Zash Also, carbons being an iq is silly, sasl2+bind2 when?
  413. jcbrand So really what I want to avoid is bug reports 🙂
  414. Zash So you want it to just work, even if everything is horribly broken, so that nobody notices and reports the bugs?
  415. jcbrand If simply sending an IQ without checking for support results in less bug reports, then that's what I'd prefer
  416. Zash I am conflicted
  417. jcbrand I guess I'm a bit paranoid. I can just assume server developers are sensible and will properly advertise support
  418. jcbrand 🙂
  419. jonas’ :-)
  420. jonas’ and if they're not its likely an easy fix
  421. jcbrand Yes, but to figure out that that's the problem takes time (which is what I'm trying to avoid)
  422. jonas’ that should be easy with proper logging and diagnostics?
  423. Zash warn, no carbons advertised, server is totally outdated, abort()
  424. jcbrand yep, I'll warn
  425. Zash otherwise this seems like the kind of thing that results in more annoying bug reports sent to someone else
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  433. lovetox its a fucking pandemic
  434. lovetox seems the whole world has MUCs added to their roster
  435. lovetox im the idot who writes code that assumes a roster contact is not a muc
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  437. Zash contagious roster-MUCs?
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  439. jcbrand > otherwise this seems like the kind of thing that results in more annoying bug reports sent to someone else yep ok.
  440. jcbrand I don't think I've every encountered someone having a MUC in the roster
  441. jcbrand I don't think I've ever encountered someone having a MUC in the roster
  442. jcbrand I'm not sure what Converse would do, I'm pretty sure it also assumes roster entries are contacts
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  444. qy > its a fucking pandemic > seems the whole world has MUCs added to their roster 😅
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  473. lovetox its funny that Discovery is XEP number 30
  474. lovetox they they added 20+ other XEPs until they reached the conclusion, its probably good if we know what we are talking to
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