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  449. moparisthebest I had an absolutely crazy thought regarding server design last night, wanted to throw it out there and see if anyone had thoughts
  450. jonas’ oh no
  451. Zash Absolutely insane! That will never work!
  452. moparisthebest the thought was that XMPP can basically just be modelled as pubsub, so if you wrote a thin XMPP translation layer around a proven pubsub implementation that already had clustering built-in like redis, well then you have a full XMPP server with clustering for free ?
  453. Zash There's a XEP for that
  454. Zash https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0207.html
  455. Zash "Everything can be modeled as pubsub" is an old XMPP meme and/or communications protocol truism.
  456. moparisthebest LOL yes exactly that, except, for real, as an implementation detail of a server
  457. Zash Nobody is stopping you. There's a trade-off thing with genericness vs specialization I think applies.
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  459. Kev Large amounts of M-Link are just XMPP protocol on top of a core pubsub layer (but it's our own pubsub layer, for reasons).
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  468. moparisthebest nice, presumably at least one of those reasons is "m-link pre-dates redis" :D
  469. Zash Facebook did after all move to MQTT, which AIUI is some sort of low-level pubsub thing
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  479. moparisthebest it's highly possible at this point that my brain is just broken and I can now only think of solutions in terms of proxies, in this case, xmpp-to-redis-proxy
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  482. Zash I'm so sorry for your loss.
  483. moparisthebest I appreciate that
  484. Zash I for one do not wish to live in a world of proxies.
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  488. moparisthebest if you think about it, isn't everything a proxy...
  489. Zash Neural networks?
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  491. moparisthebest your brain can't directly communicate to another brain, so instead it proxies said communication through your fingers, through a keyboard, through XMPP, through a screen, through eyes, and finally back to the brain
  492. Zash Proxies applying transforms in complex networks.
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  494. Zash Remember the Prosody tagline? "A study in simplicity." Sure sounds like "NO PROXIES!!!"" to me! 😉
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  497. moparisthebest idk, messages go in one side and come out the other, sounds more like proxody to me
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  518. nav Does anyone here know if not allowing XEP-0077 (https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0077.html#schemas) registration against a node was a deliberate decision, and if so, why?
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  523. nav Technically, it would seem possible to add `node` attribute to `<query xmlns="jabber:iq:register"/>`, but the XML schema does not allow it.
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  525. nav My scenario is one of more granular configuration of the interaction between two JIDs.
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  527. nav https://xmpp.labs.navlost.eu/upload/4f883a857d1fd410d36f3b5a55395c7b1d631fe5/WJkNHUlwsnM5z7U9B4fz2GSeiAGKnW0FiodQ9Rpl/Screenshot_20220718_200651.png
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